so i know i said i was gonna be on hiatus... but fuck that... instead i have decided to translate a few important but small chapters from some of the novels... nothing that will keep me occupied for more then a day though but things that i really liked in the series when i read it and can't stand other not being able to read.
For today I have completed the chapter where tokimi and tenchi explain to seina the fallout of OVA 3 and give some background on kai tsukiko and Dai. boy is it a heavy and dramatic chapter
http://tenchimuyotranslationblog.blogspot.com/p/gxp-9-1.html
:bravo:GJ
"If we are experiments of those in the upper dimension, Masaki Tenchi may be a natural born person there, although of course it may just be more of the same thing but, at the very least, it would be solved from our perspective, that is the only way a Possibility disappearance would be allowed "
My theory is that the person in the upper dimension is Kajishima himself and that Tenchi is a self insert of sorts.
I just realize :sus: seina just propose to tenchi :damn:
Quote from: Lucas on April 14, 2018, 04:55:28 PM
I just realize :sus: seina just propose to tenchi :damn:
That's kinda how i took it too haha that would have been so romantic if he had told ryoko. coming from seina it sounds like they just made a gay suicide pact
P.S a new chapter is up
And this chapter is also why i suspect god Tenchi X goddess ryoko has to be the end game.
Thank you! Good stuff. I like the bromance. Tokimi is awesome. Love how Tenchi saves or tries to save Ryoko against every main villain. That's something the manga got wrong, making Aeka the damsel. Ryoko is the damsel, Okuda!
Kajishima as the Tenchi above is an ooooooold theory from right after OAV3. Also, did this just disprove Kenshi as Z? Or is this an awkward translation? Cuz this is nuts!
kenshi as z has been disproven i think... its very clear at one poibt that might have been a possible route.. but nobu has instead never left earth and z got to go back to normal with his parents n people without all the crazy war stuff
Thank you very much for all of your help to this community.
Quote from: Fap_fapperson on April 15, 2018, 03:00:18 AM
kenshi as z has been disproven i think... its very clear at one poibt that might have been a possible route.. but nobu has instead never left earth and z got to go back to normal with his parents n people without all the crazy war stuff
I thought Z as a half brother to Tenchi was disproved but Z's Astral being Kenshi's Astral was pretty solid.
Quote from: Ricin on April 15, 2018, 04:12:09 PM
Quote from: Fap_fapperson on April 15, 2018, 03:00:18 AM
kenshi as z has been disproven i think... its very clear at one poibt that might have been a possible route.. but nobu has instead never left earth and z got to go back to normal with his parents n people without all the crazy war stuff
I thought Z as a half brother to Tenchi was disproved but Z's Astral being Kenshi's Astral was pretty solid.
nah remember the deleted scene where she sends him back to his planet.... and there have been at least 3 times they specifically said that he just got sent back to live his normal life....
I propose a controversial new theory with no basis though
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tenchi/images/2/22/ZTenchi.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090813222708)
(https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.bXygc38nkrdQvJgXr_32TQHaGs&pid=Api)
heh.. heeeeeeeeeh... think about it..... look at the faces and hair...
I always thought that Z became Kenshi because Z talked avoutbhow happy he was spying on the Masaki house and Tokimi sent Z to where he was most happy. And the planet shown was Geminar in the future. But the other theory makes sense too.
Quote from: Fap_fapperson on April 14, 2018, 05:47:02 PM
Quote from: Lucas on April 14, 2018, 04:55:28 PM
I just realize :sus: seina just propose to tenchi :damn:
That's kinda how i took it too haha that would have been so romantic if he had told ryoko. coming from seina it sounds like they just made a gay suicide pact
P.S a new chapter is up
And this chapter is also why i suspect god Tenchi X goddess ryoko has to be the end game.
When you say endgame, what do you mean? That just like Seina, Ryoko would be willing to go to infinity with Tenchi and somehow she becomes a Goddess?
Also, what does the Chousin's deterioration mean? I think this was mentioned in OVA 4 too. Is it because Tenchi's power is growing in a dimension below them?
when i say end game i mean ryoko can absorb people into her... like she did zero. she is washu's daughter and it's hinted multiple places that she will grow to exceed her in power. so its likely she will become a goddess too. the picture of her as a mother from the notan is a ridiculous spoiler to this she clearly also has more power then just washu's balls she has vines patterns on her which are explained when mizuki fuses with the kamidake to be a divine symbol of sorts if i recall correctly. plus they emanate from 4 golden orbs on her... like no one ever pays any attention to that image but its the biggest spoiler of you ask me. if its not her own power then at the very least she has assimilated with tokimi. if any of the waifus die ryoko could theoretically fuse with them to save them forever. ryoko and tenchi at the end of all creation is win win for every one cause he can have all girls together in one and with her powers she may be able to get him to the next dimension and they can go together.
but yeah god tenchi hatched too soon thanks to z and now his powers growing too quickly and causing everyone around him even the choushin to age quicker and they will eventually die too
soviet says some japanise people he asked said its the opposite and they all live forever but I don't think that's right....
it makes the dialog and conflict of the chapter make no sense....
Quote from: Fap_fapperson on April 29, 2018, 12:05:42 AM
when i say end game i mran ryoko can absorb people into her... like she did zero. she is washus daughter and is hinted multiple places that she will grow to exceed her in power so its likely she will become a goddess too. the picture of her as a mother from the notan is a rediculous spoiler to this she clearly also has more power then just washus balls she has vines patterns on her whivh are explained when mizuki fuses with the kamidake to be a divine symbol of sorts if i recall correctly plus they eminate from 4 golden orbs on her... like no one ever pays any attention to that image but its the biggest spoiler of you ask me. of ots not her own power then at the very least she has assemilated with tokimi. if any of the waifus die ryoko could throeticly fuse with them to save them forever. ryoko and tenchi at the end of all creation is win win for every one cause he can have all girls together in one and with her powers she may be able to get him to the next dimention and they can go together.
but yeah god tenchi hatched too soon thanks to z and now his powers growing too quickly and causing everyone around him even the choushin to age quicker and theyle eventualy die too
(https://i.imgur.com/DwckcZN.jpg?1)
I know I know... I suck at spelling... especially when I first wake up... if fixed it
Anyway's I think Kajishima has had some of this already written down somewhere before because there's lots of hints about his later work strewn about in the non canon shows.
they use the image of the academy as jurai in the tv show
tokimi was originally drawn as the god version ryoko in the hasegawa novel.
Kiyone is the beta design and prototype charter of kiyone makibi and you can't change my mind
i seem to remember Hasegawa's version of tenchi's mother died cause of tenchi's power... seems like that's an echo to this plot point if you ask me.
Thanks for the deep chapter, but wow... :sus: I didn't expect Tenchi to
"confess" to Seina in such a manner.
Quote from: Fap_fapperson on April 29, 2018, 05:01:12 AM
i seem to remember Hasegawa's version of tenchi's mother died cause of tenchi's power... seems like that's an echo to this plot point if you ask me.
So either through gestation or having spent a lot of time and in very close proximity bonded with him,
Tenchi had accelerated her lifespan as if she were a candle and he was a flask of kerosene?
Even if the Chousin aren't technically immortal, I'm not buying that Tenchi's (sub)consciousness is really going to accept him suffering the way Misaki did when she was left alone after everyone else was gone. He'd probably either perform some timeline shenanigans like Tokimi & Kagato/Noike did, periodically transfer and replace everyone down to their memories and soul like was done with Z (symbolically similar to seasonal planting and harvesting of a carrot field), or just going full Kazuki and remake dimensional reality to suit his wishes. I also think it's far more likely that with Tenchi's intervention or otherwise, his harem will ascend to a higher existence with him.
Quote from: Kuugen on April 29, 2018, 11:59:44 AM
Thanks for deep chapter, but wow... :sus: I didn't expect Tenchi to "confess" to Seina in such a manner.
Quote from: Fap_fapperson on April 29, 2018, 05:01:12 AM
i seem to remember Hasegawa's version of tenchi's mother died cause of tenchi's power... seems like that's an echo to this plot point if you ask me.
So either through gestation or having spent a lot of time and in very close proximity bonded with him,
Tenchi had accelerated her lifespan as if she were a candle and he was a flask of kerosene?
Even if the Chousin aren't technically immortal, I'm not buying that Tenchi's (sub)consciousness is really going to accept him suffering the way Misaki did when she was left alone after everyone else was gone. He'd probably either perform some timeline shenanigans like Tokimi & Kagato/Noike did, periodically transfer and replace everyone down to their memories and soul like was done with Z (symbolically similar to seasonal planting and harvesting of a carrot field), or just going full Kazuki and remaking dimensional reality to suit his wishes. I also think it's far more likely that with Tenchi's intervention or otherwise, his harem will ascend to a higher existence with him.
Quote from: Kuugen on April 29, 2018, 11:59:44 AM
Thanks for deep chapter, but wow... :sus: I didn't expect Tenchi to "confess" to Seina in such a manner.
Quote from: Fap_fapperson on April 29, 2018, 05:01:12 AM
i seem to remember Hasegawa's version of tenchi's mother died cause of tenchi's power... seems like that's an echo to this plot point if you ask me.
So either through gestation or having spent a lot of time and in very close proximity bonded with him,
Tenchi had accelerated her lifespan as if she were a candle and he was a flask of kerosene?
Even if the Chousin aren't technically immortal, I'm not buying that Tenchi's (sub)consciousness is really going to accept him suffering the way Misaki did when she was left alone after everyone else was gone. He'd probably either perform some timeline shenanigans like Tokimi & Kagato/Noike did, periodically transfer and replace everyone down to their memories and soul like was done with Z (symbolically similar to seasonal planting and harvesting of a carrot field), or just going full Kazuki and remaking dimensional reality to suit his wishes. I also think it's far more likely that with Tenchi's intervention or otherwise, his harem will ascend to a higher existence with him.
Or more likely OVA 5 will happen and GXP part 2 will end and this will never ever ever ever be addressed ever again...XD
but yeah GXP novels are so weird to read... Their the most dramatic thing that kajishima's ever done... sure there's some classic harem shenanigans and cliches... but its really jarring when it's interspersed with FX/HBO/Cinemax levels of sex drama and gore....
and kajishima levels of fucked up kajishimaness...
like tenchi is all light hearted and slapstick.... the novels are just like... lets see how many time we can make the reader need a smoke break cause we wrote some fucked up shit.
Seina contemplating suicide: Check
Seina killing people with his powers:check
Tarrant fucking a couch: check
Tarrant fucking a dead body: Check
actual boners not nosebleeds: check
an open dead disected cabbit: check
Airi trying to rape seina every 5 seconds: check
New character get's introduced the story follows seina as he falls in love with her and has an actual developing relationship then she dies horribly:check
seina wakes up in bed a trap elf: Check
tenchi confesses the untimate existential dread problem: Check
like... I went into this expecting slapstick and maybe some new characters and a fixed plot... I got GXP the NC-17 rated HBO Version...
It's like he took the tone of the last episode of photon and wrote 16 + novels of that
So why are they "aging"? Does his power put a strain on the 3rd dimension? And don't they age anyway? What is the difference?
And if they died, couldn't Tenchi revive them?
Quote from: Fap_fapperson on April 29, 2018, 12:43:42 PM
like tenchi is all light hearted and slapstick.... the novels are just like... lets see how many time we can make the reader need a smoke break cause we wrote some fucked up shit.
Seina contemplating suicide: Check
Seina killing people with his powers:check
Tarrant fucking a couch: check
Tarrant fucking a dead body: Check
actual boners not nosebleeds: check
an open dead disected cabbit: check
Airi trying to rape seina every 5 seconds: check
New character get's introduced the story follows seina as he falls in love with her and has an actual developing relationship then she dies horribly:check
seina wakes up in bed a trap elf: Check
tenchi confesses the untimate existential dread problem: Check
like... I went into this expecting slapstick and maybe some new characters and a fixed plot... I got GXP the NC-17 rated HBO Version...
It's like he took the tone of the last episode of photon and wrote 16 + novels of that
Oh man, don't remind me of that..
Then again, there's also the business of:
Mihoshi getting headshotted and suffering heretofore permanent brain damage aside from what I believe was the makings of a nervous breakdown she was already on the verge of due to performance pressures as the talented heir of the Kuramitsu family plus suppressing her probability powers
Clay's rampant campus sexual assaults and power harassment
The purgatory-like existence Ryoko lived under for thousands of years as Kagato's puppet and then further trapped in that Shrine for several more centuries
Sasami's death and resulting identity disorder
The unhappy stories of the Washu Clone Wars
etc.
If you've thought about it for very long, I suppose Tenchi was already pretty dark.
:cantdeal:
Quote from: Hellohi on April 29, 2018, 03:58:02 PM
So why are they "aging"? Does his power put a strain on the 3rd dimension? And don't they age anyway? What is the difference?
And if they died, couldn't Tenchi revive them?
Hopefully more is explained, but maybe Tenchi's maturation process is affecting time-space sort of like black hole gravitational waves causing (or necessitating?) the temporal fabric itself to accelerate around him like matter falling into said black hole's event horizon. As to whether he'd revive them, I would bet money on it. It wouldn't surprise me if the story might end in him ascending to the Highest Plane and fighting Kajishima himself to get them back.
Quote from: Hellohi on April 29, 2018, 03:58:02 PM
So why are they "aging"? Does his power put a strain on the 3rd dimension? And don't they age anyway? What is the difference?
And if they died, couldn't Tenchi revive them?
Ah the kajishima verse... where i both can answer that question and also think of at least 6 ways you are correct because ultimately death is kinda unconsequential in the series yet never acknowledged as so except when it's convenient.
he could astral fix people like masaki. he could reincarnate everyone into new bodies... but i think the point is that if he does that the universe will still die.... why can't he switch to a timeline where Z didn't kill him since time travel is a thing and traveling back in time specifically. If they can bring D back in the same body and same memories over and over and over it has to be possible once zinv is discovered for them to just do that. but again... death of the 3rd dimensional universe and tenchi only get's one mortal shell I assume before blammo out pops the undeveloped kami again.
the answer to the 2nd question is clearly the kami want's out and is exerting pressure. tenchi is getting crazy super powers like he had in the gxp anime... runs fast. hears everything, teleports. honestly this would have made for a way more interesting OVA 5 then whatever were getting for OVA 5 but if this shit isnt even addressed in OVA 5 I will scream... and then hope for it in gxp part 2
this is very interesting.
This entire time I thought after Z there was no more conflict and that the Masaki family would live forever happily since they are with 4 gods but now that there is some conflict in the future, it makes the series interestIng again.
I hope Kishi explains more!! Or shows us the future.
I love ya Fap, but our Japanese friends have already confirmed that Tenchi is KEEPING them from aging. You've got people theorizing about something that is inaccurate, and isn't that the kinda thing you vented about other people doing in the past?
In addition to the fluent Japanese fans' word, I even checked the googlese myself. Tenchi was very distraught about accidentally sentencing Seina to the endless nightmare of eternal existence, but Seina's attitude of "It'll be an adventure!" and "As long as we're all together it won't be so bad!" and "Let's face infinity together!" made Tenchi cry tears of joy and relief. It was some Lovecraftian level spooks with a heartwarming turnaround.
The "Infinite Prison" they keep referring to is unending life. Life as all else decays, life from which there is no escape. He takes the idea of heaven and makes it fucking dark. We've all seen the moral decay of the older characters, imagine how crazy a normal human would be after living longer than the universe. It's a fate worse than death, and it's Tenchi's fault.
It's a great scene.
hmm let me double check the japanise cause I'll admit this section confused the shit out of me when i tried to read it...
「......この能力が発現した後、鷲羽ちゃんの身体検査を受けたんだ。でも肉体的な異常も変化も全く見られなかった。だけど......だけど............俺の身体は不老化していた」
blah blah blah washu blah body not aging. ok that's where i fucked up
「不老化？ 死なない身体になっていたんですか？ まあ確かに存在的に銀河より大きくなっている、って段階で凄いんで、あまり驚きはしませんが......」
not aging?
「不死ではない不老化だ山田西南。今の柾木天地の存在的大きさを、一瞬で破壊出来れば殺す事は可能だ」
Tenchi: 西南君、君は事の重大性が分かっていない！
Tenchi: 不老になっているのは君もなんだ！
Seina-kun, you (subject) thing of importance(topic) don't understand(verb)!
it says:
not grow old, you aswell is what
oh ok so I and google misunderstood the meaning of perennial youth (everlasting youth cause like wtf dictionary that's not a word)
What happened is google translates 不老になっているのは君もなんだ！ to You are becoming old as well.
SEE what get's me about this is .... we know they fucking age.... so... i don't see what the point of this chapter is if their immortal.
but i see your right... I'll go fix it.
still doesn't change much though...
however
「俺の不老はね、完全なものらしい。頂神である訪希深さん達でさえ、僅かな劣化があるそうだ。だけど俺はこの宇宙が無くなっても、訪希深さん達がいなくなっても、ずっと生き続けるんだ。周りのものが全て無となっても、俺はそこに居続ける」
頂神である訪希深さん達でさえ、僅かな劣化があるそうだ。definitely says the choushin are aging abit slowly but his immortality is perfect.
THIS PLOT LINE MAKES NO SENSE KAJISHIMA!
IF THIS IS TRUE HOW DOES KENSHI AGE.... HOW DOES RYO AGE! HOW DOES FUKU AGE! WHY DO TENCHI's KIDS AGE HOW DOES SASAMI BECOME TSUNAMI
Quote from: Fap_fapperson on April 30, 2018, 04:27:48 AM
however
「俺の不老はね、完全なものらしい。頂神である訪希深さん達でさえ、僅かな劣化があるそうだ。だけど俺はこの宇宙が無くなっても、訪希深さん達がいなくなっても、ずっと生き続けるんだ。周りのものが全て無となっても、俺はそこに居続ける」
頂神である訪希深さん達でさえ、僅かな劣化があるそうだ。definitely says the choushin are aging abit slowly but his immortality is perfect.
THIS PLOT LINE MAKES NO SENSE KAJISHIMA!
IF THIS IS TRUE HOW DOES KENSHI AGE.... HOW DOES RYO AGE! HOW DOES FUKU AGE! WHY DO TENCHI's KIDS AGE HOW DOES SASAMI BECOME TSUNAMI
Maybe they age to their adult form but nothing more? I don't think it would mean kids stay kids forever, immorality in fantasy generally means keeping a youthful adult form.
And maybe the Chousin aging is because Tenchi, a higher being is operating under them and maybe that puts a strain on them.
This is all very interesting, can't wait for more info!!
OOPS! I failed to clarify! When we first heard about the immortality revelation, it was actually explained that the age freeze doesn't start until they reach adulthood.
I think the part about the Choushin deterioration was them clarifying how perfect Tenchi's immortality is. The Choushin aren't still deteriorating. That part didn't make sense because it doesn't make sense. Not unless you really stretch your mind! For example, in mathematics there are different sizes of infinity, with some infinities being larger than others. The smallest infinity is actually called Aleph Null(which is a great name for a cyberpunk or sci-fi novel hero). From a three dimensional standpoint, all infinities are never-ending, but from a math standpoint some are STILL BIGGER! Thinking of it that way is the only way I think it makes sense. The Choushin are eternal gods, but Tenchi is MORE eternal on a scale only perceptible by the Choushin themselves.
So, yeah, I think the deterioration was a past-tense explanation of how mind-blowing Tenchi is, even to the omnipotent. That's how I read it at least.
thats an explenation i buy kajishima clearly writes stuff about the choushin based on string theory and the 11 dimentional model and stuff so i could see it being an aleph null thing.