Useless Tenchi

Anime => Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-ohki => Topic started by: Ryo-Okay on August 02, 2018, 11:40:31 PM

Title: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: Ryo-Okay on August 02, 2018, 11:40:31 PM
AIC is attempting to crowdfund a new Pretty Sammy project again.
https://camp-fire.jp/projects/view/90814?token=9t85asvu (https://camp-fire.jp/projects/view/90814?token=9t85asvu)
(https://i.imgur.com/wKjZpeJ.png)

They are also trying to crowdfund a new El Hazard project.
https://camp-fire.jp/projects/view/90343?token=yeplhurg (https://camp-fire.jp/projects/view/90343?token=yeplhurg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Tdlhs5G.png)

They should try getting the things they crowdfunded already done before crowdfunding more but AIC is retarded.
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: Dr.Soviet on August 03, 2018, 03:39:54 AM
The new El-Hazard looks....different.
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: Harls on August 03, 2018, 03:56:04 AM
(https://cdn.camp-fire.jp/jbimages/379c3817-901f-48b1-9353-0696c34389ad.jpg)

I kinda' like.  :chord:
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: Fap_fapperson on August 03, 2018, 04:36:18 AM
aic is dead . f to pay respects
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: Dr.Soviet on August 03, 2018, 10:15:40 PM
aic is dead . f to pay respects

fuck that place mang
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: Ryo-Okay on August 04, 2018, 01:39:07 AM
I kinda' like.  :chord:
Me too.

Jinnai and the Bugra queen's daughter is a cutie.
(https://i.imgur.com/skoxG62.jpg)
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: Harls on August 04, 2018, 04:27:00 AM
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Jinnai and the Bugra queen's daughter is a cutie.

She almost looks like her aunt Nanami.
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: blackwhite256 on August 10, 2018, 12:05:53 AM
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All four projects are intended to be 5 minutes long as AIC wants to use these crowdfunded PVs to entice sponsors to move forward with funding for possible TV projects in the future.


They need to crowdfund just a 5 min promo video?
Lol wat?  :shepicide:
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: جبريل 無道 on August 10, 2018, 06:01:35 PM
I like the Jinnai, Queen, Miz, and Afura designs.  Makoto is meh.  I hope they change Ifurita back --.--
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: Ryo-Okay on August 10, 2018, 07:19:30 PM
I like the Jinnai, Queen, Miz, and Afura designs.  Makoto is meh.  I hope they change Ifurita back --.--

Unless you're looking at images I can't seem to find, the Bugra queen, Miz and Afura haven't had their designs shown and Makoto has only been shown from the back. The designs they show are for presumably the new MC Naoto, Jinnai and the Bugra queen's daughter, Fujisawa and Miz's daughter, the new wind priestess, Jinnai, and a Bugra. Ifurita's new outfit makes her look homeless.
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: WarOmnimon on August 12, 2018, 09:08:57 AM
They should try getting the things they crowdfunded already done before crowdfunding more but AIC is retarded.

Agreed.  Case in point, even the Megazone 23 sequel, which was the only one of the previous successful kickstarters, just got a second one as well.  I don't fully follow either Megazone 23 or El Hazard, so I can't give honest opinions on either, though I WILL agree that the El Hazard sequel looks much different in terms of setting and so forth.  Still, it's good that they're giving the Sammy sequel another chance...

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All four projects are intended to be 5 minutes long as AIC wants to use these crowdfunded PVs to entice sponsors to move forward with funding for possible TV projects in the future.

They need to crowdfund just a 5 min promo video?
Lol wat?  :shepicide:

...WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?  I take it back...

They need to go through all of this just to crowdfund 5 minute promo videos?  ALL OF THIS JUST TO CROWDFUND 5 MINUTE PROMO VIDEOS?!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/nxOACtE28NnLg3r6FR/giphy.gif)

THAT'S IT!  *Pesto intensifies*

...real talk, I agree completely with blackwhite256 here.  The fact that AIC has to resort to crowdfunding just for 5 minute promo videos is just plain STUPID.  Seriously, at this point they should just sell EVERYTHING they own to Kadokawa.  Forget selling just Tenchi to Kadokawa, because this has just shown us that AIC is fully incompetent with EVERYTHING they own at this point.  Kadokawa would do a much better job with Tenchi as I've been saying for months, and now I can safely say that if they get EVERYTHING from AIC, they'll do much better with those franchises, too.
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: Ryo-Okay on August 12, 2018, 10:51:20 AM
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-08-12/aic-plans-crowdfunding-for-el-hazard-sequel-project/.135364 (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-08-12/aic-plans-crowdfunding-for-el-hazard-sequel-project/.135364)

...WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?  I take it back...

They need to go through all of this just to crowdfund 5 minute promo videos?  ALL OF THIS JUST TO CROWDFUND 5 MINUTE PROMO VIDEOS?!
Yes. They have always been 5 minute videos to use to try and get investors interested. You don't honestly think they'd be able to crowdfund millions of dollars for an anime do you?

Also I'm not sure why you hold Kadokawa in such high regard, they're fucking awful.
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: blackwhite256 on August 12, 2018, 08:24:14 PM
Yes. They have always been 5 minute videos to use to try and get investors interested. You don't honestly think they'd be able to crowdfund millions of dollars for an anime do you?
Well, I understand and welcome the idea of crowdfunding the series but to crowdfund a 5 minute PV just make no sense. This is like a company crowdfunding an advertisement in order to crowdfund a non-finished product, which is ridiculous. This shows that either AIC is incompetent in terms of advertising, lack of faith, and/or they want to play it safe. AT least they are bringing back the old projects but if they really want to succeed then they are going to have to start making a trailer soon, not waiting for crowdfunding to decide...

Just my two cents.


Also I'm not sure why you hold Kadokawa in such high regard, they're fucking awful.
Uh yeah, they have screwed up series like *cough* Kemono Friends *cough*
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: WarOmnimon on August 13, 2018, 06:52:59 AM
Yes. They have always been 5 minute videos to use to try and get investors interested. You don't honestly think they'd be able to crowdfund millions of dollars for an anime do you?

Crowdfunding a series is one thing.  But crowdfunding 5 minute promo videos that, by the way, won't guarantee that the shows will actually happen?  Ridiculous.  Consider this flowchart possibility...

-Fans fund the 5 minute promo videos.

-AIC gets the promo videos done and sends them out to the investors that might be interested... and then nobody ends up being interested.

-AIC has just gotten away with highway robbery.  The fans threw money at them for no reason.

When you couple this with the fact that the Megazone 23 sequel / reboot Kickstarter was successful but they're still doing a second one... yeah.  AIC is clearly to anime what Electronic Arts is to video games right now; moneygrubbers stealing money from fans (Case in point, how EA got away with the same thing with Star Wars: Battlefront II and basically baited consumers to buy those shady loot boxes).  I'm not even joking.  It's THE most accurate comparison I can actually make right now.

Well, I understand and welcome the idea of crowdfunding the series but to crowdfund a 5 minute PV just make no sense. This is like a company crowdfunding an advertisement in order to crowdfund a non-finished product, which is ridiculous. This shows that either AIC is incompetent in terms of advertising, lack of faith, and/or they want to play it safe. AT least they are bringing back the old projects but if they really want to succeed then they are going to have to start making a trailer soon, not waiting for crowdfunding to decide...

Just my two cents.

^ This guy gets it.

Also I'm not sure why you hold Kadokawa in such high regard, they're fucking awful.

If you're saying that Kadokawa (Who owns the rights to Tenchi's printed material; that's why they're literally the only option in terms of taking Tenchi out of AIC's incompetent hands) is horrible just because of the stuff that happened with Kemono Friends (As blackwhite256 said), news flash... that's only one isolated case.  The only shade I've seen thrown towards Kadokawa in recent memory pretty much everywhere I go is all because of the Kemono Friends incident.  One goofup like that is nothing compared to the various goofups that AIC has been making lately.  I mean, since OVA 4 finished up, what has AIC actually released for ANY of their franchises?  Yup... zip.  Zero.  Nada.  Just putting these Kickstarters up.  That's it.

And oh, literally holding OVA 4 away from the western audience but actually allowing Ai, which was not received well in Japan, come over?  They've got some screws loose doing something like that.

And oh, basically hooking Kajishima and tearing his vision of GXP apart?  And preventing an anime based on the IF novels but agreeing to do Ai?  BOOM.  I never saw Kadokawa do ANYTHING like that to anyone else (Except with Kemono Friends; as I said, that's like THE only incident that I see them get bashed for).

TLDR It's a case of "the lesser of the two evils" right now, and given that the animation studio behind OVA 4 went bankrupt... if AIC is resorting to Kickstarters for 5 minute promo videos that don't even guarantee that the shows can actually happen (And could thus potentially mean that they'll take fans' money like thieves in the night *cough*Electronic Farts*cough*), I can virtually guarantee you that OVA 5 (Which Kajishima promised us) will NOT happen under AIC's watch.  At least Kadokawa would make sure that OVA 5 can happen, and who knows... they'd probably let Kajishima have more free reign with its direction than AIC would.  Kajishima as a franchise creator and Tenchi as a franchise clearly need to move on to greener pastures, and Kadokawa is their best option given that they already have the rights to Tenchi's printed material.

Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: Ryo-Okay on August 13, 2018, 10:28:32 AM
-AIC has just gotten away with highway robbery.  The fans threw money at them for no reason.
The fans knew what they were giving their money too.

AIC is clearly to anime what Electronic Arts is to video games right now; moneygrubbers stealing money from fans (Case in point, how EA got away with the same thing with Star Wars: Battlefront II and basically baited consumers to buy those shady loot boxes).  I'm not even joking.  It's THE most accurate comparison I can actually make right now.
Comparing a broke anime studio to multi-million dollar company isn't even close to accurate.

If you're saying that Kadokawa (Who owns the rights to Tenchi's printed material; that's why they're literally the only option in terms of taking Tenchi out of AIC's incompetent hands) is horrible just because of the stuff that happened with Kemono Friends (As blackwhite256 said), news flash... that's only one isolated case.  The only shade I've seen thrown towards Kadokawa in recent memory pretty much everywhere I go is all because of the Kemono Friends incident.  One goofup like that is nothing compared to the various goofups that AIC has been making lately.  I mean, since OVA 4 finished up, what has AIC actually released for ANY of their franchises?  Yup... zip.  Zero.  Nada.  Just putting these Kickstarters up.  That's it.
Kemono Friends is just a recent example. Before that it was how they completely mishandled Kantia Collection.

And oh, literally holding OVA 4 away from the western audience but actually allowing Ai, which was not received well in Japan, come over?  They've got some screws loose doing something like that.
Everytime you talk about AIC you bitch and moan about how they refuse to let Funi license OVA 4, so I assume you have some kind of proof that AIC is the reason for this right? It's far more likely that Funi just doesn't want to license a series that relies so heavily on untranslated spin-off novels.

And preventing an anime based on the IF novels but agreeing to do Ai?
If Kajishima really wanted to do an If anime then why the fuck wasn't that OVA 4?

TLDR It's a case of "the lesser of the two evils" right now
In my opinion AIC is by far the lesser of two evils. OVA 4 can only really be considered a success because it was released by AIC. A big company like Kadokawa wouldn't see 4000 copies sold per episode as a success. Hell the only OVA series I know Kadokawa is releasing is Stirke the Blood and an episode of that sold twice as much as an episode of OVA 4.

Let's assume Kadokawa actually buys Tenchi, and they release OVA 5. If it sells the same as OVA 4 then they ax it and don't fund anymore OVA's. Then they try to make a new TV anime AU. It sells like shit because fans don't want more AUs, so they don't fund anymore AUs. After both of those fail they decide to animate the GXP novels because they're the only Tenchi product that sells decently. The 12 episode anime comes out sells well and gives the light novels a little boost, but we get no season 2 because this is fucking Kadokawa.

Tenchi isn't as popular as it used to be. Sending the series to a huge company is a death sentence for the franchise. AIC is incompetent but in a desperate attempt to save their dying company they've started funding more Tenchi stuff, and I'd much rather have poorly animated exposition than nothing at all.
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: WarOmnimon on August 13, 2018, 12:22:12 PM
HOO BOY...

Kemono Friends is just a recent example. Before that it was how they completely mishandled Kantia Collection.

News flash, they corrected that.  I actually pay attention to what's going on with Kantai Collection, and the fanbase is loving what's going on with it right now and the 5th anniversary stuff is going well.  You can't use Kancolle as an example, because they corrected those errors.  Kemono Friends, on the other hand... different story.  I already agreed with you and blackwhite256 on it twice, and I'll agree a third time.  But comparing Kadokawa's messups with Kancolle and Kemono Friends is like comparing apples to oranges at this point.  They corrected things on one end (Kancolle).  They didn't on the other (Kemono Friends).  It's as simple as that.

Everytime you talk about AIC you bitch and moan about how they refuse to let Funi license OVA 4, so I assume you have some kind of proof that AIC is the reason for this right? It's far more likely that Funi just doesn't want to license a series that relies so heavily on untranslated spin-off novels.

Whatever the case may actually be (I will admit that I don't have proof of this), at least getting OVA 4 over here (Or at least prioritizing it coming out before Ai) would have actually made more sense than giving us an AU that completely BOMBED in Japan and almost completely killed Tenchi as a franchise.  Think about that.  Seriously.

If Kajishima really wanted to do an If anime then why the fuck wasn't that OVA 4?

Simple.  CORPORATE, MEDDLING.  I mean, why else would we have to deal with Nobuyuki and Rea's wedding twice when it was already a major plot point in OVA 3?  That's very clearly something that AIC forced on Kajishima.  As for why it wasn't OVA 4, keep in mind; Kajishima outright said that he wanted to do an If anime, and then AIC said no and instead we got Ai.  I believe Based Fap said something about it...

In my opinion AIC is by far the lesser of two evils.

I'm gonna respectfully cut you off before you even continue and start bringing sales numbers and stuff into the picture... because it seems that you'd rather let AIC continue to play the corporate meddling card and completely @#$% on the direction that Kajishima actually wants the franchise to go down.  Yet at the same time, the two of us have fully agreed several times that Digimon Adventure tri. was a disgrace to Digimon Adventure... so my question is, who's side are you even on at this point!?  That seems kinda farfetched to me that you'll jump down Toei's throat for doing this to Digimon (And rightfully so; tri was a trainwreck, end of story), but won't jump down AIC's throat for doing this to Tenchi... even though they are basically doing THE EXACT SAME THING.

Let's not even talk about sales and what has happened with Kadokawa's other franchises, because now you're opening up a completely different can of worms.  The truth is, Kadokawa hasn't @#$% on Kajishima's vision like AIC has.  The novels?  Kadokawa didn't push for any changes to those.  Kajishima actually got to tell the story that he intended to tell.  Even if Kadokawa takes charge of the Tenchi anime and sales don't work out, at least we'll get something that's actually quality and accurate to what Kajishima wants it to be.

If you STILL don't get why I'm saying that AIC has @#$% on Kajishima's vision... simple.  Multiple cases of corporate meddling.  MORE THAN ONE.  That combined with these Kickstarters just to put out videos for investors confirms that I no longer trust AIC with Tenchi, and that Kadokawa needs to take over... and they need to do so soon.

Let me remind you of a couple of such cases of corporate meddling from AIC...

-Said corporate meddling messing up the direction of at least GXP, OVA 3, and OVA 4.  There is a VERY good reason why the GXP novels are different than the anime, because the novels are based on Kajishima's actual vision and intention for the franchise while the anime got hit with corporate meddling.  There are likely other cases, but I'm sure that Based Fap and several others know better than I do and can even go into detail as to what AIC did to mess things up in those cases.

-Saying no to an IF anime but approving of Ai, and Ai almost killing the franchise.  It's a MIRACLE that OVA 4 even happened because of that.

I rest my case.  Would you rather chance Tenchi moving to a company and at least having a quality ending that matches what the creator of the franchise actually wants, even if it ends up dying there... or would you rather it stay with a company who will say "no, we're changing it and if you don't like it, TOUGH @#$% because we're the boss!" even to the man who created the franchise to begin with?  Something that Toei did with Digimon Adventure tri. and is STILL doing as we found out recently?

...thought so.
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: Fap_fapperson on August 13, 2018, 03:45:51 PM
aic vs kadokawa:
aic has no more money and isnt even really the studio it once was like half the ppl quit shit got sold n traded n they broke...
there begging ppl to produce 5 minit pilots...
thats basicly end of debate. aic is just a fancy liscence sitting entitity at the moment. they barely animate anything and are essentialy a shell of a corperation at this point.


and yeah they turned down if to make ai
 they needed the govt handout money.
and it still ruined them
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: WarOmnimon on August 13, 2018, 07:01:41 PM
aic vs kadokawa:
aic has no more money and isnt even really the studio it once was like half the ppl quit shit got sold n traded n they broke...
there begging ppl to produce 5 minit pilots...
thats basicly end of debate. aic is just a fancy liscence sitting entitity at the moment. they barely animate anything and are essentialy a shell of a corperation at this point.


and yeah they turned down if to make ai
 they needed the govt hqndout money.
and ot still ruined them

^ Based Fap's words here are GOSPEL.  If I hadn't done my +1 already today, I would have done so.  But then again, it went to Fap to begin with so...  :)

But yes.  This is the exact reason why I've been saying this whole time that Kadokawa needs to just walk right in, put money on the table, say "Hey AIC, here's an offer you can't refuse!", and scoop Tenchi as a whole.  When I started saying that, I was already aware of the messups they made with Kemono Friends.  I am aware of Kadokawa's faults as a company.  That's not the point of why I've been saying that Kadokawa needs to buy Tenchi.  The only reason why I even talked about their faults with other franchises is because Ryo-Okay basically said that Kadokawa was a terrible company, and when he said that, I KNEW that meant that he was going to drag their faults with their other franchises into the equation.  That wasn't something I wanted to have to discuss, because I wasn't looking to discuss their standings with other franchises.  I was looking to discuss their standings with Tenchi Muyo!.

*Deep breath*

Alright, moving on.  The bottom line is that my whole point with this is that at least Kadokawa lets Kajishima do what he wants with Tenchi and take it in the direction he wants without getting involved and doing the whole corporate meddling thing.  Look at how the GXP novels in particular are MUCH different from the anime.  News flash; Kajishima WANTED GXP to be portrayed in the way the novels do.  Kadokawa actually lets him choose the direction of Tenchi's story.

But AIC?  ROFLMAO NO.  Corporate meddling.  They forcibly skewed GXP.  OVA 3 and OVA 4 quite a bit too.  As Fap noted, they said no to an If anime and allowed that steaming cowpie known as Ai to happen instead.  And now they're basically, as Based Fap put it, begging people to make 5 minute pilots?  PFFFT.

This is the point of what I've said from the getgo.  Kadokawa lets Kajishima portray Tenchi as it's supposed to be portrayed, even though only via the novels right now.  Not only has AIC been stonewalling him and changing stuff around as we saw with GXP, but they actually shut him out from doing what could have been an absolute blast of an anniversary season and gave us a steaming cowpie of an anniversary season instead.  I mean, to compare even though I have to veer off topic for a moment here.  Even Power Rangers Megafarce (Yes, I said "Megafarce", not "Megaforce"; Megaforce and Super Megaforce were steaming piles of @#$% and that's the bottom line) is a better anniversary season for its home franchise than Ai, and that's plain SAD when you have to consider that Megaforce is a terribad anniversary season, but there are actually worse anniversary seasons out there.  Ai exists.  Digimon Adventure tri. exists.  And out of those three, I personally think that Ai is the worst of the bunch because not only was it bad, but it almost killed its home franchise.

Long story short.  The whole SAVE_US.KDK thing was because as many faults as Kadokawa has, at least they treat Kajishima and Tenchi Muyo! with the respect they deserve.  AIC doesn't.  The track record doesn't lie given that this corporate meddling thing extends all the way back to GXP.

And with that... KingEtemon has left the building.  Thank you and good night.  ;)
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: blackwhite256 on August 14, 2018, 10:37:03 PM
Well, WarOmnimon and Fapperson pretty much have summed it up even though I kinda don't agree with the Kadokawa thing but... At this point I really wish that AIC gets their
Spoiler: show
:damn:
crowdfunding or whatever needed to get these series out the door. It's been way too friggin long for them to bring the El-Hazard back (and please no, I don't want another Pretty Sammy, too many magical girls out there already <- gets mobbed by Sasami fans).   


Fingers crossed~~

 :shy:
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: Gaston on August 18, 2018, 08:22:09 AM
I would watch El Hazard sequel just to sees Jinnai's daughter thought if that sequel ever happen I am afraid that will be bad. I get the feeling AIC is so disapeared they are going to put sequel of their more famous show from the 90s most people don't care about those years in hope they finally get money again without having any good ideas whatesover.

I doubt those new show are going to happen anyway. At best they will get enough money for 2 minutes of animation. Just let AIC die they already ruined El Hazard, Pretty Sammy and Tenchi Muyo enough for me.
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: Monster Man on August 18, 2018, 09:06:53 PM
Wouldn't mind watching either of these -- especially El-Hazard, really loved that one.
Still seems like Tenchi is trapped in limbo. Not sure what is even going on with AIC.
Title: Re: Pretty Sammy round 2
Post by: BlackAeronaut on August 18, 2018, 10:11:23 PM
I pretty much agree on all points regarding how AIC is treating its franchises badly.  I mean, really.  Letting Nabeshin to take over GXP and basically turning it into his own damn fanfic was a loud and clear signal that they didn't give a shit about what Kajishima-sensei wanted.  And AI Tenchi Muyo simply sealed the deal.

For the record, I like the idea behind ATM's story... That a Princess of a lost clan of Jurai's Royal Family gets caught in a time warp on Earth and Tenchi is sent in by Washu to investigate...  but that could seriously have been done a lot better.  I mean, the girl with the groper-stockings was just waaaayyyyy too much.  That one character alone.... It's like someone set out to make a cabarete, found only the most ridiculously big-bosomed women he could find, never minding that most of them were the sort that you'd never want to see nude, and then running across the stage with lit road flares in hands while gesticulating to these women and screaming "LOOK!  GIANT TITS!"

That's how far off the mark AIC is.

And now they're basically doing the internet equivalent of panhandling, promising something that is not going to take millions of dollars to make.  There has literally been entire feature length anime films made by one man alone and a few people supplying voices, and he didn't crowdfund a damn thing.  (Voices of a Distant Star, anyone?)  Nobody needs to give AIC a single freakin' yen until they got an actual product worth selling.

Kadokawa, I am sure, will do much better by Kajishima-sensei.  Even if it's not exactly what he wants, it won't be like that aborted wet-dream of a horny teenager's fantasy that was ATM.