Since I've watched Tenchi, the discussion of who Tenchi will end up has been a constant. Back in the day, I liked Ayeka better, and wanted her to be Tenchi and every other girl to be with...whoever else. However, I changed my views and support him keeping the harem together. Of course, there are always people who say Tenchi should choose just one, but my thoughts are: Why? It would be perfectly legal (on Jurai) for him to marry them all and the household would just not be as interesting without all the girls. So, which side are you on and why?
I am for a harem for the simple reason that I like when a guy get all the girls, especially if I like many girls in the same anime (which is the case for Tenchi Muyo since in the harem I really like Aeka, Sasami, Mihoshi and Washu).
Keep the harem.
Reasons:
1) OVA Tenchi is pretty much God why should he have to choose?
2) From Kajishima's view point if he were to chose someone you'd be pissing off a majority of the fan base. (doesn't matter who the majority would be pissed!)
Harem option...no exceptions.
The guy is royalty, got thousands of years left before he even sees gray hairs, and has the stamina of an immortal. Why on earth would you want to be tied down to one spouse? Yosho got with the program, and had 2 hot wives and started multiple families, like a boss. Nobuyuki is currently on wife 2.
Seriously though, its no need to choose. Some people want to say its a cop-out, but I honestly consider him choosing a cop out. Why not have the main character have the balls to accept all the girls coming his way instead of breaking the hearts of multiple girls just to make one happy. You can save that for a dramatic romance show, but in my harem anime, that's exactly what I want. HAREM.
Plus you can't please everyone. When TU showed that Ryoko pretty much nabbed it, they had no problem with Tenchi choosing, yet when Kajishima shows Noike doing a pretty decent job reeling Tenchi in, all hell broke lose. You can't and won't please everyone with a choice, so might as well take all. And don't give me that "at least he chose" bullshit. I've seen countless times the SAME people who want a choice have spaz attacks when the girl they wanted didn't win. Saw this in SPADES with the anime Shuffle!
It's the best option from both an in-universe perspective and the perspective of the audience for Tenchi to choose them all.
Say Tenchi chooses, then the others most likely wouldn't stay and that is not a scenario that anybody wants. Ryoko would be hurt and would leave and probably never be heard from again, Aeka and Sasami would go back to Jurai with Aeka probably being broken because she's gotten her heart broken AGAIN, Mihoshi would find no reason to stick around, Washu and Noike would probably hit the road too. Tenchi needs them all and they need him, so the harem is the best option. Also, let's not forget that if Mihoshi were to leave, there would be bad blood between the Kuramitsus and Jurai which is a political situation that would be very disastrous.
From the audience perspective, like you guys already stated, obviously him choosing one of the girls isn't going to please all the fans. Someone is gonna be salty, no matter what.
My only thing is, I really wanna know how the sexing works. I doubt they have a set schedule, I'd like to think it's more spontaneous and meaningful than that.
Quote from: LightHawkWing on February 16, 2013, 05:24:11 PM
My only thing is, I really wanna know how the sexing works. I doubt they have a set schedule, I'd like to think it's more spontaneous and meaningful than that.
Someone like Ryoko would try to hog all the moments though. When dealing with harem, its crucial to create some kind of order so everyone gets a fair shake (pun intended).
When Ayeka shut the door on Sasami during Noike's time, its almost as if Sasami KNEW it was Tenchi x Noike time, and was running home just to see Tenchi giving her the business. It seems to be some kind of order going on there.
Hopefully it's something really informal like...I don't know, he works around their period cycles or when they're ovulating or something.
Quote from: LightHawkWing on February 17, 2013, 01:58:26 AM
Hopefully it's something really informal like...I don't know, he works around their period cycles or when their ovulating or something.
I wonder if Ryoko has periods? (probably not seeing as she is 5000 years old) :smith:
I don't know if I've ever brought this up on this forum before, but I've got an anecdote that is somewhat related to this topic. A number of years ago, when I was just getting into TM! and OAV 3 was still in the works, I would show the first two OAVs to a number of friends and family members. You have to realize here, that none of these individuals were fans of the series or fans of any particular girl, so I considered them neutral and unbiased on matters like which girl should get Tenchi. Whenever I'd ask any of these individuals who they thought Tenchi was going to end up with, they'd always tell me one of two things- a) that they thought he'd end up with Sasami/Tsunami (because of how episode 9 ended) or b) that he'd end up in bed with each one of the girls at least once. Not only did nobody think he would choose Ryoko exclusively, but they would always be bewildered when I told them the majority of the TM! fandom believed Ryoko was the one who would win out, saying that they thought Ryoko was the one whom Tenchi seemed the least interested in pursuing a relationship with and saw no indications that he'd choose her exclusively over the other girls. So there you go.
There are shows where I want to see monogamy (El-Hazard OAV1, Makoto and Ifurita) and shows I want to see harem like Tenchi and sekirei. It all depends on whether I like the characters and think they would get well together.
I would like to see in future OAVs, the girls relationship develop with each other. Sexual or nonsexual. I particularly anticipate Ayeka/Sasami, Ayeka/Washu, Ryoko/Mihoshi, and the goddess sisters amongst themselves. If Kiyone were in it, I would add Kiyone/Sasami.
I just wanna stake my claim in stating that I'm not a fan of Tokimi being apart of the harem, just sayin.
Quote from: LightHawkWing on February 17, 2013, 06:49:54 AM
I just wanna stake my claim in stating that I'm not a fan of Tokimi being apart of the harem, just sayin.
Reason? It seems weird to me for Tenchi only to get 2 out of 3 sisters.
Because as far as we know, she's not in love with Tenchi. Having respect for him and calling him "Tenchi-sama" is one thing but I feel like her being apart of the harem would make think that it's just because she's a Chousin. She'd be thrown in there just because she's the third sister.
Quote from: Zigra on February 17, 2013, 03:22:58 AM
I don't know if I've ever brought this up on this forum before, but I've got an anecdote that is somewhat related to this topic. A number of years ago, when I was just getting into TM! and OAV 3 was still in the works, I would show the first two OAVs to a number of friends and family members. You have to realize here, that none of these individuals were fans of the series or fans of any particular girl, so I considered them neutral and unbiased on matters like which girl should get Tenchi. Whenever I'd ask any of these individuals who they thought Tenchi was going to end up with, they'd always tell me one of two things- a) that they thought he'd end up with Sasami/Tsunami (because of how episode 9 ended) or b) that he'd end up in bed with each one of the girls at least once. Not only did nobody think he would choose Ryoko exclusively, but they would always be bewildered when I told them the majority of the TM! fandom believed Ryoko was the one who would win out, saying that they thought Ryoko was the one whom Tenchi seemed the least interested in pursuing a relationship with and saw no indications that he'd choose her exclusively over the other girls. So there you go.
Zig destroys the thread....
To all fans who want Tenchi to choose one...
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It may be easier for Tenchi to marry one girl at a time. We still don't know who is going to be his first wife. Jurain law does allow Tenchi to have more than one wife. There is a slight chance that the girl who is going to become Tenchi's first wife has not been introduced.
Sometime after Contact, it will easier for Tenchi to explain why he has more than one wife. He does have six women who have serious feelings for him. By OVA 3's timeline, Tenchi continues to see his female roommates like sisters to him. By GXP's episodes 16 and 17, Tenchi seems to be starting to accept the fact that he is going to have a harem. By the time of War on Geminar, Tenchi has already married.
:omgwtf:
Quote from: takahata on February 18, 2013, 06:29:43 PM
There is a slight chance that the girl who is going to become Tenchi's first wife has not been introduced.
I hope not, sweet baby Jesus.
Quote from: LightHawkWing on February 18, 2013, 08:50:14 PM
Quote from: takahata on February 18, 2013, 06:29:43 PM
There is a slight chance that the girl who is going to become Tenchi's first wife has not been introduced.
I hope not, sweet baby Jesus.
I personally think its highly unlikely. Kaji might introduce some girl who has the hots for Tenchi, but not anyone who's gonna become a serious piece in the harem. It isn't really his style to just add someone completely new like that without any hints, a introduction in a doujin or even a picture.
I think we would have at least seen a picture by now, we saw Noike 20 years ago.
Quote from: Tenchi Ryu on February 18, 2013, 10:17:14 PM
Quote from: LightHawkWing on February 18, 2013, 08:50:14 PM
Quote from: takahata on February 18, 2013, 06:29:43 PM
There is a slight chance that the girl who is going to become Tenchi's first wife has not been introduced.
I hope not, sweet baby Jesus.
I personally think its highly unlikely. Kaji might introduce some girl who has the hots for Tenchi, but not anyone who's gonna become a serious piece in the harem. It isn't really his style to just add someone completely new like that without any hints, a introduction in a doujin or even a picture.
I think we would have at least seen a picture by now, we saw Noike 20 years ago.
I do agreed with you. Following one of the rules of the Harem genre, the other girl in Tenchi's life was one of his best friends. Tenchi and this friend have a strict platonic relationship. In the Tenchi Muyo manga "No Need for Tenchi," there was a chapter in which Tenchi had a childhood friend. I forgot the name of this female friend.
I do like the ideal of another girl becoming a part of the harem. I will rather leave my view of this girl to the realm of fanfiction.
Wooo! Got busy doing other stuff that I haven't checked the forums in a while. And I see I missed a discussion about harems and whether or not Tenchi should choose one.
Well, since most people here agree, I'll join the majority. XD
In this particular case, it would be much better if Tenchi kept the harem intact. While yes, there is the consideration of not pissing off a portion of the fanbase if he did choose (which is why a lot of series, there is no choice. Even if, let's say the main character was forced to choose, usually the option is obvious), this is the Tenchiverse we're talking about. It was already shown that polygamy is accepted in this universe. It would certainly work with Tenchi and so, since Tenchi doesn't show a preference to one girl, it won't be a stretch that he would be with more than one.
Unlike say Nyan Koi. Which, as much as I hate to say it, the main character in that series has to choose one girl, and, I want him to choose one girl. And the mangaka himself made sure a harem choice isn't an option to ever be considered. Which is fine. I'll accept that. My problem, and a problem I have with a lot of so-called 'harem' type series, the main heroine that the main character usually winds up choosing, is the one I thought was boring. I honestly don't mind the main character choosing a girl. It's just the girl they choose that I have a problem with. This is made worse when it feels like the main character has tunnel vision and only sees one possibility for himself. Instead of seeing the other girls as a choice (in other words, it's an illusion of a love triangle. Not a true one). It makes the other girls feelings feel... well, irrelevant. And that is terrible IMO.
Now back to Tenchi, as for how a harem relationship will work, this is probably where it gets tricky. I mean with multiple girls, we're talking stuff like schedules and stuff just so each girl can have their time with Tenchi. And given the different ages and maturity, that also comes into play. One of the reasons why say, fanfiction versions of a harem relationship fails is that, in those stories, they completely butcher the characterization in order to get the sex part of the relationship to work. I mean no cat fights over who gets what time? Everyone accepts that they are in this type of relationship, and doesn't even try to become 'top d... um, girl' here? No tension whatsoever? Don't think so.
Even the end of Tenchi GXP implies that won't be the case. I know the multiple marriage was done for political reasons (maybe a reason why Tenchi himself would be with multiple girls in a marriage as well?) but that won't stop the girls from fighting for who gets Seina. :P
tl;dr
Basically Tenchi is one of the series where not only is a harem end acceptable, it's actually preferable. I can't even say the same for other so-called harem series. As for how it would work, that is a bit trickier.
One of the biggest problems which Tenchi is going to have will involve children. If Tenchi follows the normal trend regarding marriage in Japan, he will be getting married between 1999 and 2002. The Astronerdboy timeline states that Tenchi is supposed to have his first child or first two children to be born during the year 2004. Kenshi would have known about being a young uncle before he was sent to Genimar.
:payup:
I found read the No Need for Tenchi manga. The name of Tenchi's childhood friend in Hiwi. Hiwi is a typical childhood friend. (spoiler) Tsunami was able to help Hiwi out.
Her name is actually Hiwa.
Quote from: SimmyC on February 26, 2013, 03:23:22 AMNow back to Tenchi, as for how a harem relationship will work, this is probably where it gets tricky. I mean with multiple girls, we're talking stuff like schedules and stuff just so each girl can have their time with Tenchi. And given the different ages and maturity, that also comes into play. One of the reasons why say, fanfiction versions of a harem relationship fails is that, in those stories, they completely butcher the characterization in order to get the sex part of the relationship to work. I mean no cat fights over who gets what time? Everyone accepts that they are in this type of relationship, and doesn't even try to become 'top d... um, girl' here? No tension whatsoever? Don't think so.
Basically Tenchi is one of the series where not only is a harem end acceptable, it's actually preferable. I can't even say the same for other so-called harem series. As for how it would work, that is a bit trickier.
Eventually, I'd like the girls to get the idea that it's not Tenchi has 11 (or whatever the final tally is) wives and they have 1 husband.... but that Tenchi has 11 wives, they each have 1 husband and 10 wives for 11 spouses total. I'd like to see the girls get speshal gyrlfrends within the harem and with Tenchi encouraging it. That way it becomes a more level relationship.
I don't enjoy the fandom's traditional yuri though, I want to see Ayeka and Washu together and Mihoshi and Ryoko, rather than the usual fandom stuff.
It's time when watching other shows where it really makes you appreciate the option Kaji has presented us. As I'm sure most of you know, a few of us here are currently watching the anime Boku Wa Tomodachi NEXT, or as some know as Haganai NEXT...
(http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/anime/3/44724.jpg)
Well, in full dramatic romance show swing, the episode this week did something that pretty much shocked some of the viewers (who don't expect much from harem most of the time). We always get a case of the Harem male lead being dense as a door nob or a straight up perv he gets scared when a real situation arrives. Well here, we have our male lead Kodaka who through one of his harem members confronting him privately, lets the viewer know that not only does he KNOW of his female friends feelings, he's PURPOSELY acting ignorant as if he doesn't know, or when they make advances on him, he purposely acts as if he didn't hear them.
He does this because he was an outcast, and after finally finding friends, he doesn't want to ruin all the bonds and connections he's made with these girls if he chose one, as the others would no doubt be upset and probably distance themselves from him.
As we've had this thread up for about a week now, it automatically made me think of this conversation and Tenchi's handle on the situation. Luckily, Tenchi was gifted the option of being Juraian nobility, but what if that wasn't the case? It puts in better perspective how he has avoided any kind of romantic contact in favor of wanting to keep his new found family together and not distanced because of romantic drama. Normally you can say, "well, they'll get over it", but what happens when you have situations like Kodaka's and Tenchi's where these girls not only like you, but are pretty emotionally dependent on you but want you to choose?
Harem can be awesome as far as fantasy fulfillment, but in reality can be a very big hassle and bring a lot of heartache. Especially when you don't want to lose someone close who would possibly get rejected...Add to the fact you will NEVER please everyone (Looking at you Shuffle)
So basically...
THANK YOU KAJISHIMA FOR THE HAREM OPTION!!!
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls03l5I9v11qip43j.gif)
QuoteHarem can be awesome as far as fantasy fulfillment, but in reality can be a very big hassle and bring a lot of heartache. Especially when you don't want to lose someone close who would possibly get rejected...Add to the fact you will NEVER please everyone (Looking at you Shuffle)
This.
It's why Tenchi is, in many ways, the exception to many 'harem' stories. While I already mentioned the reason in my previous reply, the point is still relevant. Kajishima made it possible for a harem ending to happen. Other 'harem' stories, no. No choice endings might be because the creator didn't want to piss off ______ fanbase, but most of those stories, it feels like a copout because it is. They don't have the benefits that Tenchi has where the choice isn't simply A, B, or C, but also, A, B, AND C. Nyan Koi, which I mentioned before, made it clear that choice A and B is actually, no choice through an analogy that the character witnessed. Where the main character not choosing, turns into the main character losing both.
Your analyze is great TR, but maybe you should had wait for the ending. Maybe it would have a twist in the two final episodes that would change the situation.
Tenchi Muyo's twist: Tenchi can see dead people. Kagato killed everyone on earth in episode 6, and set Tenchi down on a dead earth to wallow in his misery. Tenchi went insane, keeps playing hero, planting carrots and imagining everyone afterward living happily ever after.
We see him dressing up the skeletons of the girls for the harem wedding at the end.... :woot: :woot: :woot:
Something like that, Gaston?
Quote from: جبريل 無道 on March 19, 2013, 07:22:16 PM
Tenchi Muyo's twist: Tenchi can see dead people. Kagato killed everyone on earth in episode 6, and set Tenchi down on a dead earth to wallow in his misery. Tenchi went insane, keeps playing hero, planting carrots and imagining everyone afterward living happily ever after.
We see him dressing up the skeletons of the girls for the harem wedding at the end.... :woot: :woot: :woot:
Something like that, Gaston?
wat
Quote from: Dr.Soviet on March 19, 2013, 08:30:12 PM
wat
Not wat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdhhQhqi_AE) :milk:
Quote from: جبريل 無道 on March 19, 2013, 07:22:16 PM
Tenchi Muyo's twist: Tenchi can see dead people. Kagato killed everyone on earth in episode 6, and set Tenchi down on a dead earth to wallow in his misery. Tenchi went insane, keeps playing hero, planting carrots and imagining everyone afterward living happily ever after.
:staredog: :staredog: :staredog:
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(Yes, that is Jibs in this pic)
Quote from: Dr.Soviet on March 19, 2013, 08:30:12 PMwat
I'm having fun with Gaston, go back to watching that Ryoko orgasming clip.
Quote from: Tenchi Ryu on March 18, 2013, 12:49:18 AM
It's time when watching other shows where it really makes you appreciate the option Kaji has presented us. As I'm sure most of you know, a few of us here are currently watching the anime Boku Wa Tomodachi NEXT, or as some know as Haganai NEXT...
(http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/anime/3/44724.jpg)
Well, in full dramatic romance show swing, the episode this week did something that pretty much shocked some of the viewers (who don't expect much from harem most of the time). We always get a case of the Harem male lead being dense as a door nob or a straight up perv he gets scared when a real situation arrives. Well here, we have our male lead Kodaka who through one of his harem members confronting him privately, lets the viewer know that not only does he KNOW of his female friends feelings, he's PURPOSELY acting ignorant as if he doesn't know, or when they make advances on him, he purposely acts as if he didn't hear them.
He does this because he was an outcast, and after finally finding friends, he doesn't want to ruin all the bonds and connections he's made with these girls if he chose one, as the others would no doubt be upset and probably distance themselves from him.
As we've had this thread up for about a week now, it automatically made me think of this conversation and Tenchi's handle on the situation. Luckily, Tenchi was gifted the option of being Juraian nobility, but what if that wasn't the case? It puts in better perspective how he has avoided any kind of romantic contact in favor of wanting to keep his new found family together and not distanced because of romantic drama. Normally you can say, "well, they'll get over it", but what happens when you have situations like Kodaka's and Tenchi's where these girls not only like you, but are pretty emotionally dependent on you but want you to choose?
Harem can be awesome as far as fantasy fulfillment, but in reality can be a very big hassle and bring a lot of heartache. Especially when you don't want to lose someone close who would possibly get rejected...Add to the fact you will NEVER please everyone (Looking at you Shuffle)
So basically...
THANK YOU KAJISHIMA FOR THE HAREM OPTION!!!
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls03l5I9v11qip43j.gif)
Thanks Tenchi Ryu, i really enjoy Haganai, fun new anime