Top 8
*2,829 *1 Donten ni Warau [BD-BOX+DVD-BOX] 2015/01/21 [BD: 1,287, DVD: 1,542]
*2,609 *1 Girlfriend (Kari) [BD+DVD] 2015/01/21 [BD: 1,961, DVD: 648]
Fall 2014 Top 8 (currently)
11,899 *2 Yowamushi Pedal Grande Road [DVD+BD]: 2015/01/21
10,690 *6 Yuuki Yuuna wa Yuusha de Aru [BD+DVD]: 2014/12/17
*8,509 *5 Shirobako [BD+DVD]: 2014/12/24
*8,207 *4 Cross Ange [BD+DVD]: 2014/12/24
*5,324 *2 Gundam G no Reconquista [BD+DVD]: 2014/12/25 *8,134 vol 2. sales
*7,473 *3 Amagi Brilliant Park [BD+DVD]: 2014/12/26
*7,427 *1 Psycho-Pass 2 [BD+DVD]: 2014/12/17
*6,621 *1 Nanatsu no Taizai [BD+DVD]: 2015/01/28
---- Manabi Line (2,899) ----
*1,919 *3 Inou Battle wa Nichijou-kei no Naka de [BD] 2014/12/26 [1,919~1,923]
*1,882 *2 Terraformars [BD+DVD] 2014/12/19 [BD: 1,366~1,384, DVD: 516~518]
*1,337 *1 Ai Tenchi Muyou! [BD+DVD] 2015/01/21 [BD: 1,107, DVD: 230~235] :jap:
*1,294 *2 Danna ga Nani wo Itteiru ka Wakaranai Ken [BD+DVD] 2015/01/16 [BD: 1,071~1,073, DVD: 223]
*1,188 *2 Hi☆sCoool! Seha Girls [BD] 2014/12/02 [1,188~1,208]
*1,114 *2 Hitsugi no Chaika AVENGING BATTLE [BD] 2014/12/26 [1,114~1,118]
**,956 *2 Daitoshokan no Hitsujikai [BD] 2014/12/25 [956~957]
**,746 *1 Ookami Shoujo to Kuro Ouji [BD+DVD] 2014/12/24 [BD: 315~317, DVD: 431~432]
**,622 *1 Denkigai no Honya-san [BD] 2014/12/24 [622~626]
**,464 *1 Gundam Build Fighters Try [BD-BOX+DVD] 2014/12/25 [DVD: 464~465, BD-BOX to be released on 2015/03/27]
**,419 *1 Ushinawareta Mirai wo Motomete [BD] 2014/12/24 [419~422]
Bretty bad :poopoo:
Inou Battle and Chaika are in the same neighborhood. If it wasn't for that original the ending do not steal I think Chaika would have been better.
>Trusting Bones :milk:
Psycho Pass going good...potential season 3?
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/07/thats-good.gif)
damn, that's pretty bad.
Quote from: onimono on February 03, 2015, 11:09:59 PM
damn, that's pretty bad.
Negishi: Can I get the funds for a second season?
AIC:
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For those who don't know the Manabi Line:
http://anime.stackexchange.com/questions/9238/is-the-manabi-line-a-correct-way-for-estimating-anime-profit-loss
QuoteQuoteReading up on anime sales, I came across the term 'Manabi Line', which is said to be the amount of DVD sales that an anime needs to break even. The article in question quoted it to be about 2,899 sales.
Seemingly, the figure is based off of the amount of sales that the anime 'Manabi Straight' made, and barely broke even.
This seems to be a loose metric. But another post on that link indicates any sales below 4 thousand units will be a fail of varying degress and over 6k will be success with a neutral zone in between.
http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?s=5250fa0f308d7665128b2875c418ed43&p=36590139&postcount=1
Quote-Less than 1000: Complete failure for late night anime, but is common among mainstream/daytime anime, which rely on other methods to produce revenue such as ratings and merchandising. Examples of this would be Naruto, Bleach, OP, Fairy Tale, Detective Conan, and most noitaminA slot anime.
-1000-2000: Pretty much same as above. Some examples of recent late night anime that bombed like this would be LOLH, B Gata H Kei, and Ookami-san.
-2000-3000: Still a failure, but the show has at least some fans but didn't sale well for various reasons, whether they be not enough hype, relatively boring plot, or too :deep:. Some recent examples would be Occult Gakuin, Shin Koihime Musou, and UraBoku.
-3000-4000: This is around break even point for most anime, or as 2ch calls it, the Manabi line. It's not exactly a failure, since no money was lost, but it's not successful or a hit either, since no money was made. An example of this would be Arakawa Under the Bridge and Ichiban Ushiro.
-4000-5000: This is around where you start to see profit being made. Anime that sale in this area aren't what you would call hits, but it's still a decent accomplishment for late night anime. Recent examples are Ikkitousen Xtreme Xecutor and Mayoi Neko Overrun. An older one is all seasons of Zero no Tsukaima.
-5000-6000: This is where some of the more prominent anime among the niche market sale. By that, I mean the more memorable titles of a year. They aren't exactly hits in the sense that they're known among outside of otaku circles, but within them they're common names. Recent examples are Motto To LOVE-Ru, Hyakka Ryouran Samurai Girls, Amagami SS, and Kissxsis here.
-6000-7000: Very good for late night anime. Once again, not hits, but they're doing very well and are moderately popular among the niche market of otaku. This is still within the realm of the 5000-6000 area. Here you have your Seitokai Yakuindomo, BakaTest, and Sekirei ~Pure Engagement~.
-7000-8000: This is where you start to go from being niche within a niche to being broadly popular within the otaku niche. Could be considered a hit among otaku, although this is a sort of gray area in the the sense most anime don't sale exactly in this range, they're either with the 5000-7000 range or skip into double digits. The only anime that comes to my mind immediately that sales in this range are Katanagatari and HOTD.
-8000-10000: This is where you start to see the most memorable anime over years sale, extremely good for late night anime and a mile stone. Still a bit hesitant to call series in this area hits, but their at least extremely successful. The first DARKER THAN BLACK and Sengoku BASARA seasons sold in this area.
-10000-12000: Where you start to see anime staple marks at. These are the series that even people who aren't otaku will at least have seen or heard of somewhere. This are is ambiguous in the sense that stuff that sales higher initially end up here from sales tapering off a bit. Anime in this are usually have initial sales of around 15000-16000 or higher. Stuff like Strike Witches, Durarara!!, and the first season of Toaru Majutsu no Index end up here after the first few volumes. Toradora! and both seasons of Shakugan no Shana sold around this area. DARKER THAN BLACK: Ryuusei no Gemini also sold here.
-12000-15000: Most anime that end up in the 10000-12000 range overall start out selling around here. As stated above, first season of Index and both seasons of Strike Witches started out here. First season of Hakuouki and Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood also sale around this range. Sengoku BASARA Two sales in this area.
-15000-20000: Pretty much same as above.
-20000-30000: Durarara and Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood started out in this area but tapered off later on. This area is ambiguous in the sense that the only anime that consistently stay in this area over every volume are heavily otaku supported. Still, some of the most popular anime sales around here. Toaru Kagaku no Railgun, Azumanga Daioh, and Fate/stay night are the only anime I can think of that consistently sold in this range.
-30000-50000: Godly and legendary. This is where the household name or super popular otaku anime sale. First Fullmetal Alchemist, Macross Frontier, Code Geass, Gundam 00, Haruhi, Angel Beats!, Lucky Star!, K-ON!, etc.
-50000-80000: Nearly impossible. Only TV series that have sold here are Bakemonogatari, Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica, and Gundam SEED.
I'll be interested in how Disc 2 sales keep up. The interest for Ai Tenchi Muyo (愛・天地無用) in google trends collapsed right after the first week of episodes, perhaps reflecting ratings. I would suppose people buying the discs know what they are getting into, though.
Just great. Negishi has probably permanently ruined our chances of seeing any real Tenchi series, such as ones based on Mister Kajishima's books.
Why is negishi still allowed to touch the tenchi license?
:staredog:
Are the numbers of sales accurate? Eh? Doesn't seem that bad for 愛・天地無用！, considering 愛・天地無用！'s characters and story development over given time per episode. 愛・天地無用！BDs/DVDs aren't worth buying, I'd think, and yet some are buying them. I find that somewhat odd. . .
Ya pretty much only the hardcore fans are buying, Personally I don't mind SOME of the merchandise for the show.
Quote from: جبريل 無道 on February 04, 2015, 12:26:45 AM
The interest for Ai Tenchi Muyo (愛・天地無用) in google trends collapsed right after the first week of episodes, perhaps reflecting ratings.
Yeah, I'll say, look at the total views each video got on Nicovideo. Viewer interest started strong and after three weeks it lost 70-80% of the audience. And what's really bad is when you look at how little interest the recap episodes generated. You can pretty much guarantee that optical media sales of volume 2 & 3 will parallel volume 1, cause the guys buying it are only doing so out of obligation and compulsive behavior. Elevens are practically conditioned to buy anything they glance at.
EP01 167,244
EP02 86,547
EP03 76,289
EP04 65,217
EP05 51,225
EP06 67,321
EP07 55,253
EP08 47,854
EP09 48,620
EP10 45,546
EP11 47,337
EP12 46,746
EP13 43,977
EP14 40,556
EP15 40,691
EP16 39,665
EP17 40,841
EP18 43,177
EP19 35,589
EP20 34,312
EP21 37,310
EP22 40,941
EP23 39,759
EP24 33,025
EP25 33,041
EP26 34,357
EP27 34,107
EP28 31,274
EP29 33,413
EP30 33,288
EP31 31,854
EP32 31,307
EP33 34,995
EP34 36,150
EP35 39,577
EP36 31,868
EP37 33,490
EP38 31,708
EP39 30,539
EP40 29,476
EP41 31,425
EP42 32,196
EP43 32,218
EP44 30,162
EP45 30,201
EP46 32,298
EP47 28,285
EP48 29,193
EP49 30,013
EP50 33,787
------------------
RECAP 01 234
RECAP 02 147
RECAP 03 133
RECAP 04 109
RECAP 05 100
RECAP 06 71
RECAP 07 70
RECAP 08 69
RECAP 09 68
Quote from: Lоиεѕомεиεѕѕ on February 04, 2015, 04:08:58 AM
:staredog:
Are the numbers of sales accurate? Eh? Doesn't seem that bad for 愛・天地無用！, considering 愛・天地無用！'s characters and story development over given time per episode. 愛・天地無用！BDs/DVDs aren't worth buying, I'd think, and yet some are buying them. I find that somewhat odd. . .
Yea it's pretty bad. If I remember correctly, OVA 3 an GXP were able to do about 6000ish a volume.
To give you a off topic example, xbox related products sell similar numbers to Ai and it's considered an abomination over there cause of that.
Goodbye chance to ever see a new Tenchi Muyo anime series.
Looks like we have our confirmation that Negishi and AIC just screwed the fans AND Kajishima... in my book, anyone involved with the creation of Ai Tenchi deserves to be booed out of whatever building they walk into from now on. The fact that they took the anniversary season ball and dropped it immediately (Which as I have said several times, no other company has done in any other recent anniversary season) is just salt in the wound at this point because we know now that the damage has been done. :swave:
Quote from: Tenchi Ryu on February 04, 2015, 08:41:21 AM
Quote from: Lоиεѕомεиεѕѕ on February 04, 2015, 04:08:58 AM
:staredog:
Are the numbers of sales accurate? Eh? Doesn't seem that bad for 愛・天地無用！, considering 愛・天地無用！'s characters and story development over given time per episode. 愛・天地無用！BDs/DVDs aren't worth buying, I'd think, and yet some are buying them. I find that somewhat odd. . .
Yea it's pretty bad. If I remember correctly, OVA 3 an GXP were able to do about 6000ish a volume.
To give you a off topic example, xbox related products sell similar numbers to Ai and it's considered an abomination over there cause of that.
While I can't find anymore, the numbers I saw placed volume 1-6 of OVA3 around 19-20K each and volume 7 at 10K.
However I did find this:
http://www38.atwiki.jp/uri-archive/pages/232.html
1993 2 - 12,170 1 - *2,000 4 *3,747 17,917 *7 天地無用！魎皇鬼 第一期
1994 2 - 22,366 1 - *2,000 4 *3,747 28,113 *7 天地無用！魎皇鬼 第二期
1995 2 - 10,197 1 - **,537 1 *1,012 11,746 12 天地無用！ (UNIVERSE???)
2003 1 - 17,223 - - --,--- - --,--- 17,223 *7 天地無用！魎皇鬼 第三期
And the GXP novels seem to be doing better than I expected. Bumped into a post that implied novel #10 did 17K. No wonder Kajishima keeps pumping them out.
http://ai.2ch.sc/test/read.cgi/anime4vip/1400930282/235
*17,322部 14/01/18 ***9日 真・天地無用！魎皇鬼外伝 天地無用！GXP 10
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UPDATE
http://dvdbd.wiki.fc2.com/wiki/%E5%A4%A9%E5%9C%B0%E7%84%A1%E7%94%A8%EF%BC%81
○天地無用！魎皇鬼 (第1,2期) 【全5巻】
巻数 初動 累計 発売日
01巻 *,*** *,*** 98.12.22 ※天の巻、1~3話収録
02巻 *,*** *,*** 99.01.22 ※地の巻、4~6話収録
03巻 *,*** *,*** 99.02.25 ※無の巻、7~9話収録
04巻 1,526 *,*** 99.03.25 ※用の巻、10~12話収録
05巻 1,523 2,473 99.04.23 ※！(ビックリ)の巻、13~番外話,SOUND FILE収録
BOX *,467 *,*** 00.03.03 ※DVD-BOX大全集
BOX 1,063 *,*** 09.09.26 ※BD-BOX
○天地無用！TV 【全8巻】
巻数 初動 発売日
01巻 *,*** 99.02.25 ※TV1-4
02巻 *,*** 99.02.25 ※TV5-7
03巻 *,*** 99.03.25 ※TV8-10
04巻 *,*** 99.03.25 ※TV11-13
05巻 *,558 99.04.23 ※TV14-17
06巻 *,*** 99.04.23 ※TV18-20
07巻 *,486 99.05.28 ※TV21-23
08巻 *,568 99.05.28 ※TV24-26
BOX1 *,*** 00.03.03 ※地球篇
BOX2 *,*** 00.03.03 ※宇宙篇
○天地無用！ in LOVE2 ～遙かなる想い～【劇場版】
巻数 初動 2週計 累計 発売日
劇場 5,314 6,346 6,694 99.08.25
○新・天地無用！ TV 【全8巻】
巻数 初動 発売日
01巻 *,*** 99.12.22 ※TV1-4 ※30位圏外（1,196～*,***）
02巻 *,*** 99.12.22 ※TV5-7 ※30位圏外（1,196～*,***）
03巻 *,*** 00.01.25 ※TV8-10 ※30位圏外（*,346～*,***）
04巻 *,525 00.01.25 ※TV11-13
05巻 *,*** 00.02.25 ※TV14-17 ※50位圏外（*,542～*,***）
06巻 *,*** 00.02.25 ※TV18-20 ※50位圏外（*,542～*,***）
07巻 *,*** 00.03.24 ※TV21-23 ※50位圏外（*,526～*,***）
08巻 *,*** 00.03.24 ※TV24-26 ※50位圏外（*,526～*,***）
BOX1 *,*** 05.10.21 ※東京立志篇、300位圏外（*,384～*,***）
BOX2 *,*** 05.11.25 ※岡山望郷篇、300位圏外（1,561～*,***）
○天地無用！GXP 【全8巻】
巻数 初動 2週計 発売日
01巻 3,545 *,*** 02.07.24
02巻 3,995 *,*** 02.08.21
03巻 4,346 *,*** 02.09.25
04巻 5,590 6,572 02.10.23
05巻 6,785 8,984 02.11.21
06巻 5,314 *,*** 02.12.21
07巻 7,062 *,*** 03.01.22
08巻 6,776 9,262 03.02.21
○天地無用！ 十周年記念 DVD-BOX【十秋楽】
巻数 初動 発売日
BOX 1,012 03.03.07
○天地無用！の内祝～とは言うものの、いつになるんだOVA～
巻数 初動 2週計 発売日
OVA 6,213 8,072 03.06.25
○天地無用！魎皇鬼 第三期 【全6巻】
巻数 初動 2週計 累計 発売日
01巻 *9,893 14,405 18,916 03.09.18
02巻 10,353 **,*** 20,520 03.12.19
03巻 11,131 14,975 18,878 04.03.27
04巻 11,913 15,218 17,414 04.09.15
05巻 12,940 16,820 17,368 04.12.22
06巻 10,623 14,388 16,327 05.03.16
○天地無用！秘密鍋
巻数 初動 2週計 発売日
FD巻 5,305 6,646 04.05.26
○天地無用！魎皇鬼 第三期 プラス1「天気晴朗なれども波高し？」
巻数 初動 2週計 発売日
限定 *8,608 11,282 05.09.14
通常 *1,210 **,*** 05.09.14
○愛・天地無用！ 【全3巻】
巻数 初動 発売日
01巻 1,107 15.01.21
02巻 1,070 15.02.18
03巻 *,*** 15.02.18
Has there been any news on how Disc2 sold? I don't see any amazon reviews on the bluray after all the fake reviews on the first disc....
Edit: One review just now after 2 weeks.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E6%84%9B%E3%83%BB%E5%A4%A9%E5%9C%B0%E7%84%A1%E7%94%A8-%E5%BC%90-Blu-ray-%E8%8F%8A%E6%B1%A0%E6%AD%A3%E7%BE%8E/dp/B00O7TPYRO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1425717249&sr=8-3&keywords=%E6%84%9B%E3%83%BB%E5%A4%A9%E5%9C%B0%E7%84%A1%E7%94%A8
Edit 2:
Here it is:
http://www3.atchs.jp/test/read.cgi/urisure/1358138075/
2015/03/02付 BDTOP100 (集計期間：02/16～02/22)
*26 -- *1,070 *,**1,070 **1 愛・天地無用！弐
If that's just Bluray sales, it's dropped a little but mostly holding steady albeit low number.
FINAL SALES FIGURES:
http://www.someanithing.com/3092
Ai Tenchi Muyou! v3
Bluray 1,134
DVD (?)*
*Not on the main list, but numbers can be found on the extended list).
Series Bluray/DVD Combined Average according to source: 1,430 units. That includes sales past the first week up to now (Vol1 being on sale for 8 weeks already, for instance).
Observations:
None of the Ai Tenchi Muyo Volumes, including 3, placed in the BDTop100 after their first week. This slump in sales is natural when months and months of pre-orders is considered in first week sales. Weekly sales typically have to exceed around the 200-300ish range for Blurays to be in the anime Top 100.
For Ai Tenchi Muyo in general, sales of Blu outpaced DVD by around 4 to 1. This ratio isn't always the case for other titles. For instance, on the link, Omoide no Marnie sold more DVDs than BD (12,094 vs 9,267) in it's first week. This suggests Ai Tenchi captured what little it did of the Otaku market and almost no casual viewers.
For all 3 Volumes combined:
*"Box Office" take so far at: $195,409
(5,450 yen average Amazon price of 3 volumes = $45.55 right now. $45.55 x 1,430 units x 3 volumes.)
This is already a bit overstated roughly by $7,500 because DVDs were 1,000 yen less, or ~$8/unit. Because the average sales up to now is 1,430 units per volume, and all openings were steady at around 1300ish combined BD/DVD sales, it suggests volume 3 will see around 100-150 more units after the initial week by the time it's hits volume 1's current age (2 months). That might be $6,800 - canceling the previous discrepancy out. Very, very generously, AiTM may take $20,000 more than the stated figure home altogether if it can somehow convice 150 more fans to buy all 3 volumes in the months ahead.
I will conclude that AIC can't live as a company on that type of money. I have no clue what it will net from this. Considering whatever the end retailer takes, DVD/BD costs, voice talent costs, etc. Even merchandise sales first need an audience that wants to buy said items. For whatever reason, the show bombed unless Tokyo MX paid them very well. All the subsequent TV airings on other channels (regions) have been midnight or later, according to Japanese wikipedia. One channel started airing it less than its 2 weeks it finish its initial run at 2/2:30 in the morning.
To put things in view, Okayama got suckered into paying $165,000 in "advertising expenses" for this.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-05-26/new-tenchi-muyo-series-announced-to-promote-tourism/.74909
AIC NOW:
:payup:
What anime costs to make:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2011/10/30-1/how-much-does-one-episode-of-anime-cost-to-make