Useless Tenchi

Anime => Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-ohki => Topic started by: Kicksville on April 16, 2021, 12:29:31 AM

Title: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Kicksville on April 16, 2021, 12:29:31 AM
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-04-16/aic-toei-agency-sign-deal-to-co-own-megazone-23-tenchi-muyo-other-classic-anime/.171765

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Anime production company AIC announced on Friday that it has concluded an agreement to transfer partial ownership of some of its existing copyrights to Toei Agency, with the two companies now sharing joint ownership. The intellectual properties that the two companies now share include the Megazone 23 franchise, Hades Project Zeorymer, Dangaioh, the Bubblegum Crisis franchise, the Gall Force franchise, and the Tenchi Muyo! franchise.


Both companies plan to develop new content for these properties, such as AIC's ongoing "Anime Reboot Projects" to celebrate AIC's 35th anniversary. Toei Agency will serve as the conduit for future business opportunities.

The Megazone 23 reboot project includes both Megazone 23 SIN — remaking both the Megazone 23 and Megazone 23 Part II original video anime — and the planned brand-new Megazone 23 XI sequel.

Tenchi Muyo! Ryo Ohki Dai-4-Ki (Fourth Season), the fourth original video anime (OVA) project, debuted in 2016 as the first entry in the OVA franchise in 11 years since the last episode of the third OVA project debuted in 2005. The fifth season of the anime is ongoing, with the fifth and latest episode debuting on home video on February 26, and the sixth episode debuting on May 28. AIC has been developing a sequel of the Pretty Sammy spinoff.

I wonder if this helps or hurts the chances of more happening.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: WarOmnimon on April 16, 2021, 07:48:26 AM
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-04-16/aic-toei-agency-sign-deal-to-co-own-megazone-23-tenchi-muyo-other-classic-anime/.171765

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Anime production company AIC announced on Friday that it has concluded an agreement to transfer partial ownership of some of its existing copyrights to Toei Agency, with the two companies now sharing joint ownership. The intellectual properties that the two companies now share include the Megazone 23 franchise, Hades Project Zeorymer, Dangaioh, the Bubblegum Crisis franchise, the Gall Force franchise, and the Tenchi Muyo! franchise.


Both companies plan to develop new content for these properties, such as AIC's ongoing "Anime Reboot Projects" to celebrate AIC's 35th anniversary. Toei Agency will serve as the conduit for future business opportunities.

The Megazone 23 reboot project includes both Megazone 23 SIN — remaking both the Megazone 23 and Megazone 23 Part II original video anime — and the planned brand-new Megazone 23 XI sequel.

Tenchi Muyo! Ryo Ohki Dai-4-Ki (Fourth Season), the fourth original video anime (OVA) project, debuted in 2016 as the first entry in the OVA franchise in 11 years since the last episode of the third OVA project debuted in 2005. The fifth season of the anime is ongoing, with the fifth and latest episode debuting on home video on February 26, and the sixth episode debuting on May 28. AIC has been developing a sequel of the Pretty Sammy spinoff.

I wonder if this helps or hurts the chances of more happening.
The answer is "help". Toei is still very, very active with a large catalog of franchises. Pretty Cure, Super Sentai, and Kamen Rider don't go on break at all (Every season for those is literally a new entry in their franchises), One Piece is still going, and they also have Dragon Ball, Digimon, and Sailor Moon, though those aren't "keep it going, keep it going" like the 3 I mentioned are (Digimon is going right now, Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon are not). This is definitely one way to counter AIC's financial trouble, and I'm for it all the way. Especially if it means that most of the stuff that AIC tried to crowdfund will finally get off the ground. Come to think of it, this may also make it easier for us to see these franchises in video games and so forth given how many of Toei's properties have appeared in video games (Super Robot Taisen definitely comes to mind as a possible video game series for at least some of these to show up in).

On the other hand, I also noticed that El Hazard is not mentioned in the co-ownership deal, which means that we may have to press F to pay respects there...
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Harls on April 16, 2021, 09:05:41 AM
Oh, I think they're included.
Every title AIC controls: http://www.aic-r.com/contents/  (in JP)

Of interest here: All Tenchi Muyo! series, Pretty Sammy, Dual, Photon, Sekishi Monogatari, all El-Hazard series.

I expect we'll see alternate storylines ala the new Battle Athletes.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Ryo-Okay on April 16, 2021, 11:11:42 AM
You know AIC is in bad shape when this partnership with Toei means animation quality will likely improve. This is actually really good news though.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Nonsuch Ned on April 16, 2021, 11:24:20 AM
Ai Tenchi, and the OVAs are the only thing AIC has lead-produced since... 2014? This Battle Athletes series is mainly produced by Seven.

Anything could help.
I just imagined the current animation team trying to do an action oriented Geminar series *shudder*

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/293328008423538690/750234645177565184/016_tenchi_animation_budget.gif)
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: WarOmnimon on April 17, 2021, 02:30:07 PM
You know AIC is in bad shape when this partnership with Toei means animation quality will likely improve. This is actually really good news though.
Agreed times infinity.
Oh, I think they're included.
Every title AIC controls: http://www.aic-r.com/contents/  (in JP)

Of interest here: All Tenchi Muyo! series, Pretty Sammy, Dual, Photon, Sekishi Monogatari, all El-Hazard series.

I expect we'll see alternate storylines ala the new Battle Athletes.
The thing there is...
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Anime production company AIC announced on Friday that it has concluded an agreement to transfer partial ownership of some of its existing copyrights to Toei Agency, with the two companies now sharing joint ownership. The intellectual properties that the two companies now share include the Megazone 23 franchise, Hades Project Zeorymer, Dangaioh, the Bubblegum Crisis franchise, the Gall Force franchise, and the Tenchi Muyo! franchise.
Note the use of "some" rather than "all", hence why I bolded "some" in that quote. Anything not explicitly mentioned there still has a question mark over it, including El Hazard. This has to be considered because as Ned mentioned, the Battle Athletes sequel is in Seven's hands. However, given that the deal includes Tenchi and Dangaioh, it's safe to assume that it also includes at least Pretty Sammy, Dual, Photon, Seikishi Monogatari, and G Dangaioh, as those are part of Tenchi (Sammy, Dual, Photon, and Seikishi) and Dangaioh (G) to begin with.

For those wondering which franchises are in Harls's link but, as I put it, still have question marks over them as to if Toei co-owns them now or not, those would be, in ABC order...

•AD Police
•Battle Athletes (Given what I mentioned above, it's likely that Toei didn't get this one)
•Burn-Up (Excess and Scramble are specifically mentioned in Harls's link)
•Daimajuu Gekitou: Hagane no Oni
•Detonator Orgun
•El Hazard (Definitely the one we need clarification on the most)
•Fight! Iczer One
•Gakuen Tokusou Hikaruon
•Genocyber
•Iczer Reborn
•Moldiver
•Riding Bean
•Sousei Kishi Gaiarth
•Vampire Princess Miyu

^ TLDR We still need official clarification as to whether these are included in the deal or not. We cannot assume that they are or aren't until it is spoken on.

On another note. Given how good Toei is at promoting their own stuff and so forth, it's actually possible for us to get an anniversary logo for Tenchi Muyo!'s 30th anniversary next year now. We didn't even get that for the 20th and 25th. I know we got an anniversary logo for the 10th anniversary (It was used when promoting GXP and OVA 3), but I can't remember if we got one for the 15th anniversary or not.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: GP cadet 87 on April 18, 2021, 12:12:46 AM
This is good news to me. Toei may not be as consistently high quality as Bones, Madhouse or MAPPA. but they have resources that AIC needs, and they're obviously still high profile with good reason.

I would love to see sequels to Bumblegum Crisis and El-Hazard after all these years. It's ironic that I'm finally watching Wanderers and loving it.

Better AIC try to keep these great franchises going than have them (and the company) die off.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on April 22, 2021, 09:51:16 AM
Good news.

I hope that this means animating all of the Tenchi Muyo novels and throwing out the mess Nabeshin made of GXP, rather than more Tenchi in Tokyo- and Ai Tenchi Muyo-style spin-offs.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on April 22, 2021, 09:54:09 AM
On another note. Given how good Toei is at promoting their own stuff and so forth, it's actually possible for us to get an anniversary logo for Tenchi Muyo!'s 30th anniversary next year now. We didn't even get that for the 20th and 25th. I know we got an anniversary logo for the 10th anniversary (It was used when promoting GXP and OVA 3), but I can't remember if we got one for the 15th anniversary or not.
That would be nice to use for the front page of the wiki, if it is well designed.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: WarOmnimon on April 24, 2021, 12:15:23 PM
That would be nice to use for the front page of the wiki, if it is well designed.
Pretty much. Toei is on top of anniversary logos like white on rice. Kamen Rider, Super Sentai, Pretty Cure, and Sailor Moon always get anniversary logos, for example. (Kamen Rider in particular also tends to get anniversary logos for specific seasons!) About the only anniversary in recent years that they didn't make an anniversary logo for last I checked is for the Dragon Ball anime's 35th anniversary this year (Though that's justified in that the Dragon Ball anime isn't running right now). Everything else, though? Yup, anniversary logo. Even the Ojamajo Doremi 20th anniversary two years ago got one, as did the Digimon Tamers 20th anniversary this year (Which is quite the pleasant surprise given Toei's bias towards Digimon Adventure).

For that reason, I'm sure we'll be getting a Tenchi Muyo! 30th anniversary logo next year. I'd say about an 85% chance.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on April 25, 2021, 07:54:27 AM
Okay. That is good.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: WarOmnimon on April 25, 2021, 09:47:49 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/UzWs82K.png)
To put things into perspective, here's a quick collage I threw together of some (But not all) of Toei's anniversary logos from 2016 up until and including this year, including a couple of individual Kamen Rider season anniversary logos. The points I'm trying to make here are that Toei is on top of this kind of thing, and that if even franchises such as Ojamajo Doremi that aren't consistently active lately can get an anniversary logo from Toei, so can Tenchi. :)

Yes, I actually collect anniversary logos. You may now proceed to call me out for it if you feel inclined to do so.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on April 25, 2021, 06:27:57 PM
Well, let's hope for the best then.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on June 14, 2021, 11:36:25 PM
So excited for Gall Force to get some love, hopefully. Any more on this whole deal? Funimation took off the tenchiverse link and the DVD/blurays are selling out on their site.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: WaitoKon on June 16, 2021, 03:04:04 PM
Things are changing hands, very intriguing  :eng101:
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Nonsuch Ned on June 18, 2021, 10:30:17 AM
So excited for Gall Force to get some love, hopefully. Any more on this whole deal? Funimation took off the tenchiverse link and the DVD/blurays are selling out on their site.

Some of it may just be a repackaging thing.

Geminar is being released again BD-only under the "Classics" imprint next month.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on June 20, 2021, 04:23:10 PM
I truly hope so. The 200$ price tag for the OVAs and Movies each sucks.. Hopefully you're correct.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on June 24, 2021, 08:28:10 AM
If you do not want to download them, I think that you can find all of the Tenchi Muyo Ryo-Ohki episodes via Funimation's and Crunchyroll's streaming services.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on June 24, 2021, 09:21:02 PM
If you do not want to download them, I think that you can find all of the Tenchi Muyo Ryo-Ohki episodes via Funimation's and Crunchyroll's streaming services.

Yep. Got the yearly Funimation sub. I'm going back to getting physical media and want them. Had them on my wishlist for like 2 years lol.. Just didnt purchase. Hoping the prices go back to being reasonable or a new run is printed.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Nonsuch Ned on June 25, 2021, 10:25:34 AM
What I'm guessing is that they may want to combine 1, 2, & 3 in a new release but the dead stock of the "Ryo-Ohki" release is delaying such a repackaging. They don't want to sell off the old release at too much of a loss.
...but at the same time, who wants 3 without 1&2? So how do they hope to sell them?
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on June 25, 2021, 01:51:02 PM
What I'm guessing is that they may want to combine 1, 2, & 3 in a new release but the dead stock of the "Ryo-Ohki" release is delaying such a repackaging. They don't want to sell off the old release at too much of a loss.
...but at the same time, who wants 3 without 1&2? So how do they hope to sell them?

Ryo-ohki is currently going for 11$ roughly. I know this because I bought it a week ago.  :spends:
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Harls on June 26, 2021, 06:47:44 AM
I don't think they can combine them, since two different companies hold the licenses between them (1+2 with GeneonUniversal, and 3 with vap)
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on June 26, 2021, 02:06:55 PM
So.. GXP has been removed from Funimation now. Was on there a couple weeks ago when I added it to my que. The OVA is only 13 episodes listed as well. War on Gemnar is there though.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Harls on June 27, 2021, 07:04:41 AM
"Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki" is the third OVA. It's there.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on June 27, 2021, 02:58:15 PM
"Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki" is the third OVA. It's there.

Oh. GXP is definitely gone.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Nonsuch Ned on June 27, 2021, 10:30:47 PM
I thought GXP was gone months ago. I forget the reasoning. Was  it back temporaily and now gone again?
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on June 27, 2021, 11:34:57 PM
I thought GXP was gone months ago. I forget the reasoning. Was  it back temporaily and now gone again?

I put it on my que back in mid may and it had the episodes listed that I remember.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: WaitoKon on June 28, 2021, 02:05:14 PM
Well the DVD box set of GXP is going for about twenty bucks at Right Stuf and Amazon...wait it's out of stock too.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on June 28, 2021, 05:14:16 PM
20$ on amazon for the SAVE edition.. Never actually watched it. so not sure i'd spend on it.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Harls on June 28, 2021, 05:39:17 PM
I thought GXP was gone months ago. I forget the reasoning. Was  it back temporaily and now gone again?

I put it on my que back in mid may and it had the episodes listed that I remember.

Huh. It should have been gone two years ago.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-02-07/funimation-tenchi-muyo-gxp-anime-digital-rights-expire/.143081
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on June 28, 2021, 09:04:20 PM
I thought GXP was gone months ago. I forget the reasoning. Was  it back temporaily and now gone again?

I put it on my que back in mid may and it had the episodes listed that I remember.

Huh. It should have been gone two years ago.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-02-07/funimation-tenchi-muyo-gxp-anime-digital-rights-expire/.143081
Whoah. Guess I wasn't paying enough attention at the time. Is it terrible like War on Gemnar episode 1 is?  (edit) The series is on my que, but no episodes.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Harls on June 29, 2021, 06:18:21 AM
Is it terrible like War on Gemnar episode 1 is?

Ehh?!  :aaa:

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(edit) The series is on my que, but no episodes.

Yeah, they still offer the DVD's (though currently out-of-stock), so the show page exists.
The video streams ended two years ago.
My bad.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on June 29, 2021, 03:42:00 PM
Is it terrible like War on Gemnar episode 1 is?

Ehh?!  :aaa:

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(edit) The series is on my que, but no episodes.

Yeah, they still offer the DVD's (though currently out-of-stock), so the show page exists.
The video streams ended two years ago.
My bad.

Wasn't trying to correct you, just my thought process on what I saw before.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: takahata on June 29, 2021, 03:46:46 PM
TOEI ANIMATION is the producer of two well known anime series.  The two series are Sailor Moon and Dragonball Z.  Both series have evolved into having their own sequels. as well as becoming franchises.  The Tenchi Muyo metafranchise and its sister series are going to be in good company.



 :Hek: :vrage: :Ryoko:
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Harls on June 30, 2021, 01:13:24 AM

Wasn't trying to correct you, just my thought process on what I saw before.

Oh, no. Upon re-reading what I wrote, I didn't clearly say what I had intended.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on July 01, 2021, 04:29:15 PM

Wasn't trying to correct you, just my thought process on what I saw before.

Oh, no. Upon re-reading what I wrote, I didn't clearly say what I had intended.

Gotcha. I'm too new here to insult anyone anyway haha. Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Dreamr on August 02, 2021, 05:32:57 PM
Toei is one of the few companies AIC could sell to that I have no concerns about. I'm far more concerned about western distributors.
Oh, did I see Iczer Reborn in that list? Everyone on this forum should give that a watch at least once. Once you have, you'll understand why.
[spoiler]Something about a genius scientist that created the Iczers, one of whom is an innocent younger girl with long, spiky cyan hair and golden eyes that can fly, walk through walls, teleport, has super-strength, and fights with an energy sword (2 actually) and by shooting energy beams. Check the credits. You'll see a familiar name there.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: WarOmnimon on August 04, 2021, 07:00:02 PM
TOEI ANIMATION is the producer of two well known anime series.  The two series are Sailor Moon and Dragonball Z.  Both series have evolved into having their own sequels. as well as becoming franchises.  The Tenchi Muyo metafranchise and its sister series are going to be in good company.



 :Hek: :vrage: :Ryoko:
Aside from Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon, Toei Animation is also responsible for Digimon, One Piece, Pretty Cure, Dragon Quest: The Adventure of Dai, Saint Seiya, Transformers G1 (The Japan-only sequels included), Kinnikuman (Of which Kinnikuman Nisei was released here as Ultimate Muscle), GoLion, Dairugger XV (These two are the anime that Voltron is based on), Tiger Mask (All 3 iterations), GeGeGe no Kitaro, Ojamajo Doremi, Toriko, World Trigger, and so forth. And beyond anime, they're also responsible for Kamen Rider and Super Sentai (Which has been adapted into the various seasons of Power Rangers since it started, but word going around is that will no longer be the case once Dino Fury wraps up).

Good company is an understatement here, LOL. :)
Toei is one of the few companies AIC could sell to that I have no concerns about. I'm far more concerned about western distributors.
Same on both fronts. Though given how much of Toei's recent stuff has been put up on streaming services (Seasons of PreCure have been legally coming over to streaming services gradually with the current seasons getting same day releases as Japan, and Toei is even making steps to push Kamen Rider in the west now; both of these can be considered as "hell has frozen over" type situations to varying degrees given the western licenses and so forth that prevented PreCure and Kamen Rider from coming over in the past), I don't think that western distribution issues should be nearly as much a concern as they would have been a few years ago.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on August 21, 2021, 12:56:28 AM
So what does this all mean for Funimation and the future of Tenchi?
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Ryo-Okay on August 21, 2021, 11:53:07 AM
So what does this all mean for Funimation
I'm pretty sure Funi didn't renew the license, so it means nothing to them.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on August 22, 2021, 12:15:34 PM
Aren't Funimation and Crunchyroll supposed to merge via a recent business deal, or do I misremember?
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Harls on August 23, 2021, 10:50:37 AM
Yes.
Sony just closed on the deal a week or two ago.
Right now the licenses status's are unchanged.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on August 25, 2021, 02:53:23 PM
Okay. Thank you for the information.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on August 25, 2021, 02:58:57 PM
I am worried about that this will allow Sony to censor and control the content of the vast majority of anime series though. They are already doing that to video games since they moved their main office to California, and are selling far worse in Japan because of it.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on September 08, 2021, 01:40:46 PM
The merger happened August 9th. Wonder how things are going to go from here.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: WarOmnimon on September 14, 2021, 04:56:34 PM
I am worried about that this will allow Sony to censor and control the content of the vast majority of anime series though. They are already doing that to video games since they moved their main office to California, and are selling far worse in Japan because of it.
There actually isn't a reason to panic about that. Sony Computer Entertainment's main office is in California, yes, but the offices for Sony's other divisions (Such as those involved with anime) are still in Japan. This is something that I have seen mentioned many times when other people have voiced the same concern. Unless those divisions also move to California for whatever reason (Which shouldn't happen), this won't affect anime.

Granted, it certainly doesn't change the fact that what SCE is doing to a lot of Japanese developed video games on PlayStation platforms (Which is why so many Japanese third parties have at least partially jumped ship to Nintendo lately; heck, even Aquaplus, who were super loyal to Sony since day one until this whole debacle, has actually put out a game on the Switch by this point, specifically Dokapon UP!) is completely unfair... but that would be going off-topic.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on October 20, 2021, 05:51:17 AM
Okay. Thank you very much for the information.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on November 30, 2021, 11:35:09 PM
The ovas and movies are completely gone from the funimation roku app when searching for them. All thats left is universe, ai, ryo-ohki and war on gemnar now.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Harls on December 01, 2021, 10:53:18 AM
Discotek, you’re up.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Dreamr on December 05, 2021, 11:20:56 PM
The ovas and movies are completely gone from the funimation roku app when searching for them. All thats left is universe, ai, ryo-ohki and war on gemnar now.

https://www.sonypictures.com/corp/press_releases/2021/0809/sonysfunimationglobalgroupcompletesacquisitionofcrunchyrollfromatt

Sony would be stupid to keep two independent streaming services for the same products. Not at all surprised to see stuff getting shuffled from one service to another.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Harls on December 06, 2021, 03:02:16 AM
OVAs 4 and 5 are on Crunchyroll.
The rest are not.

Sony isn’t doing anything here.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on December 13, 2021, 11:07:15 PM
Bingo.. so what happens now? I thought Toei had a good relationship with Funimation?
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Harls on December 14, 2021, 12:01:35 AM
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/214/427/ecf.gif)

Also, Toei doesn't have anything to do with this, either.

It's all NBCUniversal.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Nonsuch Ned on December 14, 2021, 09:24:11 AM
I guess the various licenses could make things complicated. I wouldn't be surprised if Funimation has decided that they've made what they can and are letting licenses expire. But they're at separate lengths, so they still have control of some, but not all. And anyone who would want to take up new licenses would want to pick up as much as they could all at once, but would wait until they're all available.

And Funi did just recently put out a new "Classics" BD release of Geminar... and, oddly, a separate new non-Classics BD+digital release. SO they must have that long enough to keep trying to make money off it.
...or maybe they just want to renew it all at the same time to have coordinated licenses? I really don't know, don't completely get the logic.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: WarOmnimon on December 15, 2021, 07:04:26 PM
I guess the various licenses could make things complicated. I wouldn't be surprised if Funimation has decided that they've made what they can and are letting licenses expire. But they're at separate lengths, so they still have control of some, but not all. And anyone who would want to take up new licenses would want to pick up as much as they could all at once, but would wait until they're all available.

And Funi did just recently put out a new "Classics" BD release of Geminar... and, oddly, a separate new non-Classics BD+digital release. SO they must have that long enough to keep trying to make money off it.
...or maybe they just want to renew it all at the same time to have coordinated licenses? I really don't know, don't completely get the logic.
Yeah... this does seem a bit screwy. I mean, if Funi still had the licenses for everything else that is part of Tenchi, that would be one thing. But that's clearly not the case here, and yet they're still releasing Geminar? I don't get the logic, either.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/214/427/ecf.gif)

Also, Toei doesn't have anything to do with this, either.

It's all NBCUniversal.
^ All of this.

My guess as to what will happen next? It's likely that first, all of the licenses will expire, and then someone (Though who that someone would be is anyone's guess right now given that the licenses are all over the place) will scoop them all in one fell swoop. With this coming year being Tenchi's big 3-0, hopefully that's sooner than later.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on December 19, 2021, 01:43:56 PM
I hope something does come of the 30th anniversary.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: WaitoKon on December 28, 2021, 05:46:53 PM
Well it is about 9 months away.  :discoursechef:
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: AstroNerdBoy on December 29, 2021, 11:59:58 PM
I guess the various licenses could make things complicated. I wouldn't be surprised if Funimation has decided that they've made what they can and are letting licenses expire. But they're at separate lengths, so they still have control of some, but not all. And anyone who would want to take up new licenses would want to pick up as much as they could all at once, but would wait until they're all available.

That would be the most likely answer.

I hope something does come of the 30th anniversary.

In Japan, I'm sure they'll sell some kind of package deal, possibly with extra stuff from Kajishima-sensei. His latest doujin work dropped today, so it may have news in it. But if there were a new anime in the works, I would have expected to already hear about it, unless it is being kept under the wraps.

As to Toei, initially I was happy about their investment into AIC. But after what the stunt they pulled on that one YouTube guy in taking down hundreds of his review/discussion videos of Toei (and supposedly, even some non-Toei stuff), I have a very negative view of them.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: GP cadet 87 on December 30, 2021, 01:09:04 AM
I can't believe it's gonna be 30 years. Damn, I know I was "only" 5 when it came out, so relatively speaking I shouldn't be feeling too old.. but DAMN I'M OLD! :) Gonna definitely re-watch the whole OVA series next year to celebrate!

Maybe the stars will all align and we'll be getting a reboot of GXP. It'll be turning 20 next April. I still consider it the worst anime I keep re-watching lol.

Yeah, really shitty what happened to Mark, the reviewer Toei went after, I've been a big fan of his for awhile.

He's a REVIEWER NOT AN ANIMATOR, for God's sake! They got no business (literally, legally and ethically) going after critics; everyone has the right to critique some one else's work and get something for it.

He's got over 500K subs on his channel. If anything, they should be THANKING him for the extra exposure for their work!
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Nonsuch Ned on December 30, 2021, 12:37:30 PM
 That nothing else is being announced (like novel releases- Kajishima seems to do one thing at a time), I keep hope alive that they are still secretly working on something animated.

I did just watch something (I forget what) that included a credit like "Brought to you by the 10th Anniversary committee" in it that made me think "What about Tenchi!?"

My personal hope would be a movie, an actual movie focused on the OVA casts. I really think that's what's called for to wrap up the "Ryo-Ohki" storyline. It's also just "one thing" that could be conceivably made to commemorate the show within THIS YEAR.

The only other thing that could be made on the quick would be a P.O.S. like Ai Tenchi.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: WaitoKon on December 30, 2021, 02:16:35 PM
That is correct, Ned. Though I would expect the producers of any Tenchi anniversary work to plan to build on that commemorative installment. Instead of something abridged like Ai Tenchi, actually looking into the sheer backlog of Kajishima light novels. Were it up to any of us, a GP reboot steering away from the style and direction of the late 90s films would work in a recap feature similar to what Space Battleship Yamato has been receiving the past decade or so.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on December 31, 2021, 12:31:55 PM
Were the reviews of Toei anime episodes even negative, or was the Youtuber just a regular enthusiast who was trying to get people interested?
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Harls on December 31, 2021, 09:58:03 PM
I wanted to like it.
But he's spot-on.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: AstroNerdBoy on January 01, 2022, 08:18:50 PM
Were the reviews of Toei anime episodes even negative, or was the Youtuber just a regular enthusiast who was trying to get people interested?

Sorry to plug my own blog entry, but it has links to other items of interest. https://anime.astronerdboy.com/2021/12/piracy-wars-toei-goes-after-popular-youtube-anime-reviewer.html Basically, the guy Toei "killed" was gung-ho about the stuff he did videos for.

This is the only news I got out of Japan.

・A new anime is coming out. ※Paradise-War prequel
・The heroine of the new work is Tsukiko.
・The novel will be published next year.

The novel is likely a new GXP novel. There have been no announcements about doing anything for the 30th anniversary.

Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Nonsuch Ned on January 01, 2022, 11:01:40 PM
Hmm, I was betting Tsukiko would have been in the end of the GXP novels, considering the implication that her husband was killed by HIMC. But her conspicuous absence from OVA5 guaranteed that a story about her hadn't been told.
Maybe it's not so much a PW "prequel" as it is a related novel that takes place between the end of GXP and beginning of PW.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on January 02, 2022, 04:37:07 PM
Thank you for the new information.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: AstroNerdBoy on January 05, 2022, 06:56:45 PM
I saw where a small YouTube channel with some Tenchi review videos that only had screen shots got copyright slammed by a Japanese company. Not sure if they are tied to Toei or not, but main...
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Dr.Soviet on January 06, 2022, 01:18:08 AM
I saw where a small YouTube channel with some Tenchi review videos that only had screen shots got copyright slammed by a Japanese company. Not sure if they are tied to Toei or not, but main...

mind DMing me the details?
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: WaitoKon on January 06, 2022, 08:03:06 PM
I'm sure that was just robo-trawling pixel matching, not someone on a computer spitting out their coffee.  :eng101:
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on January 07, 2022, 07:24:56 AM
I saw where a small YouTube channel with some Tenchi review videos that only had screen shots got copyright slammed by a Japanese company. Not sure if they are tied to Toei or not, but main...
Attacking fans who are devoting their time to promoting their products is both totalitarian, immoral, and idiotic in combination.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: AstroNerdBoy on January 07, 2022, 09:14:56 PM
The Japanese are going full Big Entertainment with piracy. They are using the "we are losing countless money untold" (which is impossible since you can't lose what you never had) argument and spending TONS of money to try to shut things down globally. And they are partnering up with Western entities to try to do this. And in Japan, they've upped the criminal laws to attack their potential customer base in country. 

Heck, the Japanese are getting so whacked, I saw that the old Urusei Yatsura anime series is apparently being edited to remove "blink and you'll miss it" nods to other shows, Japanese and Western. Apparently, showing characters from another anime for a second in the background is an insane copyright violation or something.

Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on January 08, 2022, 03:20:35 PM
That is very sad, especially as we need Japanese entertainment as a global cultural counterforce to Hollywood dominance.

I agree with the "you cannot lose what you never had" argument, and still find it insane to shut down people doing promotion of their products. All that will happen is that they will have 1/100th of the old total global audience, and very little additional money.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on January 08, 2022, 06:48:55 PM
Also, I wonder if they will come after doujinshi creators and fanfiction authors next, given how draconian and irrational they have been so far.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: AstroNerdBoy on January 08, 2022, 07:12:32 PM
Also, I wonder if they will come after doujinshi creators and fanfiction authors next, given how draconian and irrational they have been so far.

I think this is a line they fear to cross. Even Akamatsu-sensei (Love Hina, Negima!, UQ Holder), who's running for political office to try and stop anime/manga piracy, is pro-doujinshi. But then he used to do some mild-H doujin works back in the day, if I recall correctly. And he had some sort of doujin work at C99.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on January 09, 2022, 07:15:41 AM
Okay. Noted. Thank you for the information.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on February 01, 2022, 02:10:22 PM
YouTube seems to have turned more reasonable regarding the problem that ANB mentioned above:

https://kotaku.com/anime-youtube-toei-copyright-strike-fair-use-totally-no-1848432919

https://youtu.be/ypAHGoS60HA
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: AstroNerdBoy on February 03, 2022, 07:06:46 PM
I watched Totally Not Mark's video on the topic. Toei was REALLY ugly in this. And yeah, it is shocking that YouTube actually did something right. At least he was large enough to get noticed and force YouTube to look into this.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on February 04, 2022, 10:45:43 AM
Yes, it is unusual for YouTube. They are usually very censorship-happy. At least against any viewpoints that they find politically inconvenient for the elites.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Nonsuch Ned on February 05, 2022, 06:08:14 PM
Are Toei or AIC associated with NBC Universal?
I really don't know what this is...
https://youtu.be/nJg9G5NBmmU
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Harls on February 06, 2022, 02:56:52 AM
Tenchi Muyo was produced by Pioneer Laser Disc Corporation, to provide content for their machines, using AIC.
Pioneer LDC changed its name to Pioneer Entertainment to distinguish itself from the electronics manufacturing division.
Pioneer Entertainment got spun sold off (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2003-07-21/dentsu-acquires-pioneer) into its own company and was renamed Geneon Entertainment.
Universal bought Geneon Entertainment, NBC bought Universal, and then NBCU was acquired by Comcast.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Nonsuch Ned on February 08, 2022, 04:09:58 PM
And did they only get into anime production "30 years ago"? That's the confusing thing to me...
In the context of this "anniversary," what happened with Pioneer/Geneon/Universal 30 years ago?
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Harls on February 08, 2022, 04:31:27 PM
And did they only get into anime production "30 years ago"?
Yes.
Tenchi was Pioneer's first anime title.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: WarOmnimon on February 08, 2022, 08:59:49 PM
Figured it was worth throwing my $0.02 into this because I'm a statistical nerd and all.

If we're talking about AIC, then they made several things before Tenchi Muyo!. To save you all a trip to Wikipedia, Bastard!!, Bubblegum Crisis, Burn Up!, Dangaioh, Detonator Orgun, Fight! Iczer One, Hades Project Zeorymer, Megazone 23, and Vampire Princess Miyu are all listed as their first episodes having been released before Tenchi OVA 1's first episode. And that's just counting a few of the OVAs, not one-shots, TV series, or movies. Also, AIC has been around since 1982, not 1992. So this year would be AIC's 40th anniversary (Albeit this year is, as has already been mentioned here by several people including myself, Tenchi's 30th). The Wikipedia article I referenced has lists of AIC's works (One each for TV shows, OVAs, and movies) that all come with a handy option to sort everything by first run start date so that you can piece everything together.

Now, if we're talking about anything that specifically falls under the Pioneer / Geneon / Universal banner, then yeah... that's something that Wikipedia isn't being a big help with. All my brain is registering from their article is that they mostly produced and distributed the laserdiscs, home videos, and so forth, but didn't actually make the shows, OVAs, etc. themselves. As such, that is a discussion I can't really jump into because I'd be as good as that annoying buzzing gnat flying around the discussion table because I wouldn't be able to contribute.

TLDR I can confirm that Tenchi isn't AIC's first work specifically, but I can't vouch for which of AIC's works would be the first to fall under the Pioneer / Geneon / Universal banner, because that I legitimately have no clue about, LOL.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: antvasima on February 11, 2022, 06:06:49 PM
Thank you for the information.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: WaitoKon on March 23, 2022, 04:46:24 PM
I just wanted to update with some interesting news that was announced earlier this month:

https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2022/02/13-1/godzilla-evangelion-ultraman-and-kamen-rider-to-collaborate-in-shin-japan-heroes-universe-project

This collaborative includes Toei Animation. I think there is huge potential here.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: thebritwriter on March 23, 2022, 06:13:23 PM
Assuming the co-own deal makes progess and does make a launch of something Tenchi related, will there be release of a manga/novel before working on animation?
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Dr.Soviet on March 24, 2022, 07:03:23 PM
Assuming the co-own deal makes progess and does make a launch of something Tenchi related, will there be release of a manga/novel before working on animation?

Prolly not, I don't think Toei does that very often.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: RyannVonDoom on May 01, 2022, 05:27:46 PM
OVA is back on funimation. They are starting to transition the shop to Crunchy roll but they still have the funimation streaming going. Weird.
Title: Re: "AIC, Toei Agency Sign Deal to Co-Own Megazone 23, Tenchi Muyo, etc"
Post by: Nonsuch Ned on May 02, 2022, 08:53:52 AM
I think they may be obligated to continue streaming any ongoing shows that they were already showing (One Piece) and double up on some stuff just so it doesn't look like the One Piece channel. It seems they can't just transfer everything over immediately
This is the list of what's been added to CR: https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2022/03/01/funimation-titles-now-available-on-crunchyroll